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Cadaverous Pallor · 06-23-2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

And Obama wishes to equate outrageousness with legitimate issues.

How is saying "here's a list of things they're going to say about me" infer he's equating them? They're all things that have been and will be said. Don't even try to say that no one has said "don't vote for him because he's black and his name is Muslim". Hell, my mom has already said that.

scaeagles · 06-23-2008, 01:01 PM

He is expecting (or at least hoping) that the legitimate youth and inexperience cries are equated to those that are not legitimate by lumping them into the same statement.

It is smart politics, no doubt, but I find it despicable to draw a line through all of those as the same type of criticism.

And Alex, you are exactly right. I hate McCain Feingold and it is one of the primary reasons I vomit at the thought of voting for the man.

Cadaverous Pallor · 06-23-2008, 06:30 PM

You have not posted a link so I don't know what he actually said. But according to you, all he's claiming is that these are all things that people will say about him, trying to scare people away. Which is totally true. Your complaint seems like a massive stretch to me.

"Um....he's black. He is too young. He doesn't have enough experience to protect us from terrorism. He is a secret Muslim - look at his name....."
"THINGS PEOPLE SAY ABOUT OBAMA TO SCARE AWAY VOTERS?"
"RIGHT!"
Dick Clark: "You win the $20,000 Pyramid!"

scaeagles · 06-23-2008, 08:38 PM

My problem is that he is attempting, by listing them together, to say that people who say he is young or inexperienced are as stupid as those who say he's black or a muslim, and that his youth and inexperience are as invalid as the other two.

innerSpaceman · 06-23-2008, 08:48 PM

You've asserted that before, scaeagles. But I wish you had the wherewithal to admit that's how you perceive it, but it's not necessarily (nor necessarily not) the way it was intended by Obama.

CP's $20,000 Pyramid analogy is just as likely as not. This time, I think it's the ear of the behearlder.

scaeagles · 06-23-2008, 08:55 PM

Oh, indeed, it is how I percieve it. And I think I also said he's a smart politician for doing it.

innerSpaceman · 06-23-2008, 08:59 PM

Only to the extent potential voters are dumb enough to assume everything on a given list has equal value.

scaeagles · 06-23-2008, 09:04 PM

I think the vast majority of voters - on both sides - are dumb.

wendybeth · 06-23-2008, 09:07 PM

I feel that way about most of the candidates.

Alex · 06-23-2008, 09:11 PM

I don't think there was a single candidate running this year that is dumb. There were a whole lot that I disagree with strongly on many and perhaps even most issues.

But that doesn't make them dumb.

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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	He is expecting (or at least hoping) that the legitimate youth and inexperience cries are equated to those that are not legitimate by lumping them into the same statement. It is smart politics, no doubt, but I find it despicable to draw a line through all of those as the same type of criticism. And Alex, you are exactly right. I hate McCain Feingold and it is one of the primary reasons I vomit at the thought of voting for the man.
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06-23-2008, 06:30 PM	#1223
Cadaverous Pallor ohhhh baby Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Parental Bliss Posts: 12,364	You have not posted a link so I don't know what he actually said. But according to you, all he's claiming is that these are all things that people will say about him, trying to scare people away. Which is totally true. Your complaint seems like a massive stretch to me. "Um....he's black. He is too young. He doesn't have enough experience to protect us from terrorism. He is a secret Muslim - look at his name....." "THINGS PEOPLE SAY ABOUT OBAMA TO SCARE AWAY VOTERS?" "RIGHT!" Dick Clark: "You win the $20,000 Pyramid!" __________________ The second star to the right shines in the night for you
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06-23-2008, 08:38 PM	#1224
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	My problem is that he is attempting, by listing them together, to say that people who say he is young or inexperienced are as stupid as those who say he's black or a muslim, and that his youth and inexperience are as invalid as the other two.
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06-23-2008, 08:48 PM	#1225
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	You've asserted that before, scaeagles. But I wish you had the wherewithal to admit that's how you perceive it, but it's not necessarily (nor necessarily not) the way it was intended by Obama. CP's $20,000 Pyramid analogy is just as likely as not. This time, I think it's the ear of the behearlder.
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06-23-2008, 08:55 PM	#1226
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Oh, indeed, it is how I percieve it. And I think I also said he's a smart politician for doing it.
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06-23-2008, 08:59 PM	#1227
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Only to the extent potential voters are dumb enough to assume everything on a given list has equal value.
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06-23-2008, 09:04 PM	#1228
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I think the vast majority of voters - on both sides - are dumb.
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wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	I feel that way about most of the candidates. __________________
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I don't think there was a single candidate running this year that is dumb. There were a whole lot that I disagree with strongly on many and perhaps even most issues. But that doesn't make them dumb.
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