Ta Ta Jesse Helms

[wendybeth]

Oh, come on. To say that just because you didn't say 'full' along with 'hatred' JW is totally wrong is a bit ridiculous. (Besides, saying one is full of hatred is rather redundant- hatred is the kind of emotion that sort of fills up all available space). It's also silly- Helms is NOT worth any of us fighting over, ever. He stoked enough of this shyt in his lifetime, so let it die with him.



Can't we all just get along?

[Boss Radio]

Let's dig him up and bring him back to life to put an end to this once and for all.

[lizziebith]

But by now he's even more smelly. If that's possible.





And now that I've poured gasoline on this fire...

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

Oh, come on. To say that just because you didn't say 'full' along with 'hatred' JW is totally wrong is a bit ridiculous. (Besides, saying one is full of hatred is rather redundant- hatred is the kind of emotion that sort of fills up all available space). It's also silly- Helms is NOT worth any of us fighting over, ever. He stoked enough of this shyt in his lifetime, so let it die with him.



Can't we all just get along?

WB- I did not say he was full of hatred or that he was like Helms. I have every right to defend myself against the allegation that I did.

I thought (and he corrected it) that he felt hate for the man-

Otherwise certainly we can get along- but I am not going to say nothing when I am being accused of something I did not do.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

WB- I did not say he was full of hatred or that he was like Helms. I have every right to defend myself against the allegation that I did.

I thought (and he corrected it) that he felt hate for the man-

Otherwise certainly we can get along- but I am not going to say nothing when I am being accused of something I did not do.

Well...

Originally Posted by Nephythys

...and frankly excusing your own intolerance and hatred by pointing to someone else's is a poor deflection indeed....

Originally Posted by Nephythys

Please explain then why it is hatred when Helms expressed it- but it is not when you do?....

Anyway... I'm done now. I'm tired of arguing with you, Nephy. It's pointless, and gets us nowhere (which I should have known from long experience).

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by JWBear

Well...





Anyway... I'm done now. I'm tired of arguing with you, Nephy. It's pointless, and gets us nowhere (which I should have known from long experience).

Thanks-

I was not aware we were arguing. I am sorry you could not bother to show me the same courtesy I showed you.

I already said it was not intended to mean what you took it to mean- I have explained ad naseum and you have chosen to disregard it- demanding respect when you clarified but ignoring my own request.

Your insults are duly noted- I thought, wrongly, that we had moved past this sort of issue but sadly you want to hold to it.

Peace out.

(one more thing- while I did quote you there I was referring to the MANY posts excusing hatred for his views by pointing to his-you are not the only one who posted in such a manner. Though you seem to be one of the few who finally explained that it was not hatred that drove you- I stand by the comment- pointing to someone else's hatred and intolerance is a poor excuse for indulging in the same)

I also never said you were LIKE him of FULL of hate- and as yet all you can do is put words in my mouth, intention in my words and IGNORE when I tell you that your interpretation is wrong- heaven forbid.


No WB- we can't get along.

[Strangler Lewis]

Peace out, indeed.

[LSPoorEeyorick]

Originally Posted by JWBear

And I have been trying to defend myself from an implication that my continuing to speak out against Helms, and feeling no sadness at his death, makes me the same as him.

JW, I know you're not interested in debating this further - in fact, neither am I! But I wanted you to know that I was never trying to imply that you are the "same" as Helms. Of course I don't think that; you are a good man infuriated at the actions of someone who did much to belittle and harm a just cause. I failed in getting my point across if you thought I was trying to say you're "equally bad" or similar, and I'm terribly sorry if that was the case.

I will try to explain my perspective once more before I give up and declare that my brain is only expelling indistinguishable mud, heh. Because I want you to know that, in fact, I'm not trying to compare the two of you as people. Rather, I'm comparing the way that your words might be received. Words like "truly evil" might be received by his peers the way words like "weak, morally sick wretches" were received by ours. When we couch our arguments in (even justifiable) anger and absolutes, our words are often written off by those who need most to hear them. It does not make you the same kind of person at all, JW. But it may mean that if anyone says to people with his ignorance and misconceptions what has been said here, our words may be similarly received as his were by all of us. (Likely you have no intention - or maybe you don't particularly care, and that's certainly your prerogative and I would never think less of you.)

This does not mean that I think you should not express just how angry you are. I would be saddened if ANY of us weren't made angry by the things this man said. I was just trying to put all of our words in context for the bigger fight to change the minds of his surviving peers, which was perhaps brought up too soon in the midst of remembrance of his bile, his gall, his - yes - evil - behavior.

[Disneyphile]

Originally Posted by lizziebith

But by now he's even more smelly. If that's possible.





And now that I've poured gasoline on this fire...

I'll bring the Helms-shaped marshmallows.

After all, roasting someone is to honor them.

Hmm. Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong kind of roasting, but to err is human.