Ta Ta Jesse Helms

[Nephythys]

...and I offered no defense.

I just offered the idea that while the man was not a saint, nor was he as simple a thing as a villain- and history will deal with his legacy- for good or bad.

He was someone's husband, father, grandfather.....and frankly excusing your own intolerance and hatred by pointing to someone else's is a poor deflection indeed.

(MBC- before the same mistake happens- my post is not direct comment to yours even though it follows)

[Strangler Lewis]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

He was someone's husband, father, grandfather

And they probably loved him. Which does not mean he was--what we would call--a positive influence in their lives any more than relatives who do other types of damage to their kids, while still professing love, are positive influences.

I remember watching some daytime TV show (Phil Donahue?) some years back that had Klan members on. There was at least one family with several generations on the show, and there was a Klan granny holding a baby who was dressed in baby sized Klan robes and hood.

I remember a 60 Minutes show on American Nazism from about twenty years ago. They showed tape of a brownshirted father proudly bringing his brownshirted twelve year old to his first local meeting. They then interviewed the kid, who said something like "When I grow up, I want to kill all the ni**ers and the Jews because they cause all the trouble."

But, Bear. The man's dead, and he's still making you miserable. Let it go.