Superman origins - Page 2

innerSpaceman · 08-26-2008, 02:37 PM

ok, guess I'm the only one here who liked the Bryan Singer movie. Hated Lois Lane, but liked everyhing else. Maybe it was too much a remake of the classic Reeves Superman (and the unreleased Donner-directed second half which was to be released as Superman 2), but I loved that.

It was played just two steps less slapstick than the original, but with the same silly tone. Except for Lois, every character wast the perfect two steps less silly, but essentially the same style.

It was a great remake.

Ya know ... except for the craptastic Lois Lane.

Ghoulish Delight · 08-26-2008, 03:03 PM

I liked it. I just don't care enough one way or the other about the franchise to be either excited or displeased about messing with the character.

Pirate Bill · 08-26-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

It was a great remake.

Ya know ... except for the craptastic Lois Lane.

And Routh sucked too. He had no presence whatsoever. The lead actor should at least be a little more than just a pretty face. I was looking forward to something, anything from him. Even if it was an impersonation of Reeve.

Spacey's Luthor was the best thing about that movie.

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Originally Posted by flippyshark

Before it jumped the shark a few seasons back, SMALLVILLE did a good job of reinventing the mythos

I agree. And at that time I was saying they needed to transition Smallville from TV to the big screen. Now, it's just too late though. Smallville is tired and Singer killed the franchise.

Cadaverous Pallor · 08-26-2008, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Pirate Bill

Spacey's Luthor was the best thing about that movie.

Totally agreed.

The story was insulting to Superman's character. And the creepy almost-Chris Reeve guy creeped me out. I remember enjoying it for popcorn's sake, but the plane crash nearly vetoed that. I hope they don't do a sequel in that mold.

As for making Superman dark....um, that's like saying they'll film a "light Batman".

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I just read this article this morning! How funny that you posted about it. It is quite an intriguing origin story. Are you going to pick up the book?

Eh, probably not. I'm not that much of a fan.

innerSpaceman · 08-26-2008, 05:21 PM

I don't much care for Superman as a character. Too goody-good boring for me. But CP nailed it. A dark Superman = a lite Batman. Both are WRONG.

As for the Singer film, so many people have a problem with the airplane scene and its bending of physical laws, but have no problem whatsoever with Chris Reeve spinning around the Earth so fast it starts to rotate backwards and then .... wait for it ... results in Turning Back Time!!!!

Since the two films had nearly identical tone and only the one scene each where physics were defied (well, aside from, ya know, Superman defying gravity and such), I really don't see where the problem is with the airplane scene.

And as with Nolan's Batman, where I HATE Bale as Batman but find him the perfect Bruce Wayne ... I think Brandon Routh was merely ok as Superman, but fantastic as Clark Kent. (Yes, heavily inspired by the Christopher Reeve performance.)

To me, I don't think there's ever been a single actor who's equally good as both the comic book hero and his secret identity,

flippyshark · 08-26-2008, 05:37 PM

As much as I enjoy the first Richard Donner Superman, I did not then, I do not now and I never will accept that spinning-the-Earth-backwards bit. It's number one on my list of all time "you gotta be kidding me" moments.

And then, in the Richard Donner cut of Superman II,

Spoiler:

I agree that Brandon Routh was a good Reeves-ish clark Kent. I wish he had a more charming movie within which to be so.

Bornieo: Fully Loaded · 08-26-2008, 06:21 PM

I think the problem with Routh in the role was he didn't have presence - Superman is pretty much a God with ultimate powers but has been raise among his "people." Routh spent too much of the film as an homage to Christopher Reeves' Superman when he should have been more concerned with acting. I think Reeves and George Reeve were almost perfect for the rolls and I think if you merged to two, you'd get a perfect Superman.

Superman Returns was just badly written and really contained nothing of what Superman is. There were just moments of nudges and winks to a way better film. The whole issue of turning the Earth back isn't so far off the map being what Superman is. I think was isn't addressed beyond Superman the Movie and Superman II (both versions) is that the story is that of an all powerful being dealing with being the only one of his kind and the responsibility he has to those around him. I think Hancock approched those themes much better than Returns ever could hope to. If someone could make a Superman film about the responsibility of being who he is and how it affects those around him I think we'd be well off. Kent in Retuns was only played for the "wink" and for comic relief, when he should be played as a chance for Superman to be included in humanites gifts - to be apart of the human race rather than as an outsider, which he is as Superman - no matter if he looks human, he isn't. I think that's a great, unexplored theme.

Anyway...

innerSpaceman · 08-26-2008, 06:51 PM

Oooh, I want a Bornieo-directing Superman Movie!!

Cadaverous Pallor · 08-27-2008, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Since the two films had nearly identical tone and only the one scene each where physics were defied (well, aside from, ya know, Superman defying gravity and such), I really don't see where the problem is with the airplane scene.

I forgive Superman for every rule-bending moment because he's SUPERMAN. Lois Lane, on the other hand, shouldn't be able to survive being knocked around the inside of a plane like a pinball while everyone else bothers with seatbelts and oxygen masks.

Bootstrap Bill · 08-27-2008, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

ok, guess I'm the only one here who liked the Bryan Singer movie. Hated Lois Lane, but liked everyhing else. Maybe it was too much a remake of the classic Reeves Superman (and the unreleased Donner-directed second half which was to be released as Superman 2), but I loved that.

It was played just two steps less slapstick than the original, but with the same silly tone. Except for Lois, every character wast the perfect two steps less silly, but essentially the same style.

It was a great remake.

Ya know ... except for the craptastic Lois Lane.

This was supposed to take place five years after the events in the previous Superman movie.

They should have used older actors. Both Superman and Lois Lane looked far too young.

08-26-2008, 02:37 PM	#11
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	ok, guess I'm the only one here who liked the Bryan Singer movie. Hated Lois Lane, but liked everyhing else. Maybe it was too much a remake of the classic Reeves Superman (and the unreleased Donner-directed second half which was to be released as Superman 2), but I loved that. It was played just two steps less slapstick than the original, but with the same silly tone. Except for Lois, every character wast the perfect two steps less silly, but essentially the same style. It was a great remake. Ya know ... except for the craptastic Lois Lane.
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	I liked it. I just don't care enough one way or the other about the franchise to be either excited or displeased about messing with the character. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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08-26-2008, 05:21 PM	#15
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	I don't much care for Superman as a character. Too goody-good boring for me. But CP nailed it. A dark Superman = a lite Batman. Both are WRONG. As for the Singer film, so many people have a problem with the airplane scene and its bending of physical laws, but have no problem whatsoever with Chris Reeve spinning around the Earth so fast it starts to rotate backwards and then .... wait for it ... results in Turning Back Time!!!! Since the two films had nearly identical tone and only the one scene each where physics were defied (well, aside from, ya know, Superman defying gravity and such), I really don't see where the problem is with the airplane scene. And as with Nolan's Batman, where I HATE Bale as Batman but find him the perfect Bruce Wayne ... I think Brandon Routh was merely ok as Superman, but fantastic as Clark Kent. (Yes, heavily inspired by the Christopher Reeve performance.) To me, I don't think there's ever been a single actor who's equally good as both the comic book hero and his secret identity,
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08-26-2008, 05:37 PM	#16
flippyshark Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,852	As much as I enjoy the first Richard Donner Superman, I did not then, I do not now and I never will accept that spinning-the-Earth-backwards bit. It's number one on my list of all time "you gotta be kidding me" moments. And then, in the Richard Donner cut of Superman II, Spoiler: I'll be darned if he didn't go and pull that sh!t again! Yeesh. I agree that Brandon Routh was a good Reeves-ish clark Kent. I wish he had a more charming movie within which to be so.
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08-26-2008, 06:21 PM	#17
Bornieo: Fully Loaded Lego Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Disneyland, USA Posts: 3,704	I think the problem with Routh in the role was he didn't have presence - Superman is pretty much a God with ultimate powers but has been raise among his "people." Routh spent too much of the film as an homage to Christopher Reeves' Superman when he should have been more concerned with acting. I think Reeves and George Reeve were almost perfect for the rolls and I think if you merged to two, you'd get a perfect Superman. Superman Returns was just badly written and really contained nothing of what Superman is. There were just moments of nudges and winks to a way better film. The whole issue of turning the Earth back isn't so far off the map being what Superman is. I think was isn't addressed beyond Superman the Movie and Superman II (both versions) is that the story is that of an all powerful being dealing with being the only one of his kind and the responsibility he has to those around him. I think Hancock approched those themes much better than Returns ever could hope to. If someone could make a Superman film about the responsibility of being who he is and how it affects those around him I think we'd be well off. Kent in Retuns was only played for the "wink" and for comic relief, when he should be played as a chance for Superman to be included in humanites gifts - to be apart of the human race rather than as an outsider, which he is as Superman - no matter if he looks human, he isn't. I think that's a great, unexplored theme. Anyway...
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08-26-2008, 06:51 PM	#18
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Oooh, I want a Bornieo-directing Superman Movie!!
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