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Old 02-07-2007, 11:58 AM   #1
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I question whether challenging thecorndogwalker on his belief had anything to do with real discussion. It's not real discussion to challenge someone merely for the sake of being contrary. It's also not real discussion to overanalyze each and every word that gets posted just to get everyone in a bureaucratic nonsensical back and forth about semantics.
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Old 02-07-2007, 12:44 PM   #2
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My read is - if all possibilities exist, there really is no choice, since in any situation all decissions are made - as they play out in all these multi-verses. Granted, this possibility of a multi-verse is not something that can (at this point) be scientificly scrutinized. However, if this does describe the metaphysical reality, it still doesn't jive with the phenomenological experience of reality - of just one universe. That just made me speculate that perhaps "consciousness" (and the experience of time) is a singular experience in which "choice" is really about what part of the multi-verse to focus on next (that is I don't experience an omniscient consciousness of the multiverse). Sort of how I can have a CD of a bunch of different songs, but only listen to one at a time.

In this way Freewill still may exist as a part of phenomenological consciousness - though not in the way we might ordinarily think of it. It would be more passive in the sense that playing a CD is more like choosing what music to listen to than actually making the music.
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Old 02-07-2007, 12:45 PM   #3
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I just don't think that a respectful and even-handed discussion about differing beliefs can take place after it's started with an insult. Pancaked or not. Did the original pancake make the situation any better when it was edited? Nor did this one.
I just don't believe that, once a mistake is made, then corrected, that the original subject should become forbidden.

We have a LOT of situations where tempers flair for various reasons. We just have to get over it, move on and prove once again that we can have civil discussions about all sorts of subjects.
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Old 02-07-2007, 12:59 PM   #4
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Let's say for a moment that I was a newbie. 7 posts maybe. I post something dear to my heart and get slammed for it. Does it make me want to stay? Does it make me think people on this board are cool when they call something I love "bullsh*t"?
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Old 02-07-2007, 01:04 PM   #5
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Let's say for a moment that I was a newbie. 7 posts maybe. I post something dear to my heart and get slammed for it. Does it make me want to stay? Does it make me think people on this board are cool when they call something I love "bullsh*t"?
Probably not - but that ship has sailed. Aside from going back in time to prevent the exchange, what would you propose?
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Probably not - but that ship has sailed. Aside from going back in time to prevent the exchange, what would you propose?
I would prefer cutting the newbies some slack from now on. Welcome them into the boat for a good number of posts, then smack 'em over the head with an oar.
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Old 02-07-2007, 01:53 PM   #7
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I would prefer cutting the newbies some slack from now on. Welcome them into the boat for a good number of posts, then smack 'em over the head with an oar.
Ok - then let me try to do what you have been dancing around:

to Alex (and perhaps in the context of this thread MousePod as well): Sometimes you come across as an insensitive prick, my sense is that you know this already and probably don't really care about that possible public perception, but you should know (as should everyone else on the board) that those perceptions can colors people's willingness to engange you in conversation - that also might not matter to you, but if it does you might want to think about how you post.

To corndogwalker (and perhaps the rest of the posting community):I hope you realize that each member of this community speaks for themself here and not for anyone else in the community. No one expects you to like everyone or requires you to respond to anyone's post (though in the absence of contray evidence might make erroneous assumptions about) you). There is in fact an ignore feature on this board that anyone can employ to block out the posts from people they'd rather not hear from (though we all know it just makes you click a button to read the post anyway). Still I hope you know that there are plenty of people here that welcome you (possibly even Alex and MousePod) and look forward to reading your contributions.
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to Alex (and perhaps in the context of this thread MousePod as well): Sometimes you come across as an insensitive prick,
I have no argument with that. Though from my perspective it frequently looks like the other person is an overly sensitive wimp unwilling to examine the thoughts they profess.

But I know that I am generally regarded as overserious, humorless, and prone to try and force "serious" conversations where people generally want levity and buttslaps.

I know that it is mostly my fault, and to a large part I don't care how I'm perceived. It is just the way I am. That said, people generally assume I am being more serious than I actually am, and frequently I am not starting them out of some serious mission but rather because I enjoy them.

But yes, I'm a prick by most standards.
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Old 02-07-2007, 01:06 PM   #9
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Let's say for a moment that I was a newbie. 7 posts maybe. I post something dear to my heart and get slammed for it. Does it make me want to stay? Does it make me think people on this board are cool when they call something I love "bullsh*t"?
Public GC mojo.

I'm really interested in what thecorndogwalker has to say, but if I were in the same position, I wouldn't want to interact with someone who replied so rudely.
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Let's say for a moment that I was a newbie. 7 posts maybe. I post something dear to my heart and get slammed for it. Does it make me want to stay? Does it make me think people on this board are cool when they call something I love "bullsh*t"?
Maybe not, but that's what happened and it cannot be undone. So, we move on and, up to this point, the philosophical discussion has been going well.

We delve into subjects here on LoT that are banned from most other boards - especially of the Disney variety. Things will get ugly at times, but I hope we all can learn from both the seedier sides of our selves as well as from the better sides and return to having a good discussion even if there was some initial shyt smeared.
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