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Old 02-06-2007, 10:14 PM   #1
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I haven't read any of the articles you speak of, so I'm not sure what is meant by "non-communicative" in this context, but if consciousness is singular among the multiverse, then perhaps freewill is the consciousness "choosing" a path to weave through the probabilities. So while a world exists where I've made different choices, I'm only conscious of the one path I've taken - or think I have taken. I'm sure though this is a metaphysical path unsupported by any science, though it is congruent with my own conscious apprehension of the world.
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Old 02-06-2007, 10:20 PM   #2
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That's fine. Limit such things to unobservable metaphysics and there is no way to discuss it. Any answer is equally valid as any other.
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That's fine. Limit such things to unobservable metaphysics and there is no way to discuss it. Any answer is equally valid as any other.
Has the multiverse been observed?
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Old 02-06-2007, 10:33 PM   #4
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No, and you'll find that many quantum physicists therefore rule them outside scientific discussion, that they are pure metaphysics since it they have not been observed and pretty much every multiverse theory bars any possibility of observing them.

That said, where such concepts do crop up as theoretical artifacts they do describe certain physical properties that such things would have. You can't (or rather, shouldn't) simultaneously use quantum mechanical theory to support their existence and then disregard what it also has to say about their nature.

We can all imagine universes that allow whatever it is we want to allow and have whatever nature we want them to have. How about a universe where the bigger something gets the less space it occupies? Sure thing. All such speculations and imaginations are equally valid so long as they remain outside observation and prediction. But when real world observable claims are made, then there are methods for evaluating them and that alternate universe has condensed from metaphysics into the realm of physics.

Real world claims are made for past life regression, and that raises some interesting questions and I'm curious how the study of past life regression addresses them, and not just how the rest of us can make up things.
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I'm curious how the study of past life regression addresses them, and not just how the rest of us can make up things.
But that's exactly what interests me about past-life regression. Like art therapy, past-life regression is artistic self-expression with the therapeutic result of increasing self-esteem, self-awareness, and insight.
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past-life regression is artistic self-expression with the therapeutic result of increasing self-esteem, self-awareness, and insight.

Which makes me wonder if perhaps PLR is an "experience" in much the same way as Alex and I were discussing the "experience" of free will.
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I'm only conscious of the one path I've taken - or think I have taken.
Which, one could argue, is why free will is something we experience and not something that actually exists.


If I am reading correctly, most of what you are saying assumes indeterminism. Multi-worlds argues that the universe is deterministic (hence Alex's argument that free will cannot exist), but our experience of free will is merely a byproduct of being unable to see the future and that our "choice" was preordained.
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