Amnesty and my membership in the Republican party

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

And it should be noted that for those considering movement to the Libertarian party over this particular issue that the official party stance is the removal of barriers to movement across borders.

Yeah....that does suck, and it will prevent me from joining (among other things....like really odd candidates).

[sleepyjeff]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070518/...SSLZULcYoE1vAI

The Unity '08 effort, led by a group of veteran political strategists from both parties, was inspired by the idea that both parties are dominated by their most extreme elements and a majority of Americans are looking for a centrist approach.

Too bad they don't really have a handle on what the problem really is....the parties are too much alike and not extreme enough. This third party is like RC cola saying "try us, Coke and Pepsi are too extreme".

Frankly I don't like this; flashbacks of Ross Perot handing Clinton the White House.

[Scrooge McSam]

Yeah, good luck with that, Leo.

And peace to all the Libertarians that continue to vote Republican. Whatever gets you through, babe!

[Strangler Lewis]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Tom Tancredo
Duncan Hunter
Mike Huckabee

I believe all three raised their hands at the debate when the group was asked who does not believe in evolution.

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Expect the laws on the books to be adhered to.

Boy, are they adhered to. Immigration appeals command a lot of resources in the Ninth Circuit. As I sit here, I'm working on an appeal from an unlawful reentry conviction. Fellow got 86 months for coming back in to work and see his family. It's his third conviction.

[Kevy Baby]

Originally Posted by Strangler Lewis

Boy, are they adhered to. Immigration appeals command a lot of resources in the Ninth Circuit. As I sit here, I'm working on an appeal from an unlawful reentry conviction. Fellow got 86 months for coming back in to work and see his family. It's his third conviction.

I disagree. The laws are NOT applied properly. The one law that is not enforced nearly well enough is prevention of keeping people from unlawfully entering our country. The flow of illegal immigrants needs to be stopped.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by Strangler Lewis

Well, this is an insight. I am curious, though. The Contract with America was ballyhooed in 1994. How did a 17-year-old Jewish girl come to say, "Yeah, that Newt Gingrich. He speaks for me."

I was raised in a Rebublican household. I firmly believed that the Republicans were the party of lower taxes, smaller government, and more personal responsibility, meaning more freedom to make decisions about my own life. I was anti-gun control, anti-smoking laws, anti-seatbelt/bike helmet laws, anti-censorship. I was anti-welfare, anti-medicare....basically, I thought people could take care of themselves, and if they couldn't, they didn't deserve what they couldn't earn. I read lots of Ayn Rand. I was a big fan of Desert Storm, and was just fine with the concept of policing the world, because I thought America had everything correct, and the rest of the world was backward, ignorant, and in need of some ass-kicking to get on track and away from their bad systems.

I still hold some of these beliefs to some degree, others I have tossed. Mostly what I've learned is the world is not black and white, hence my anger at the two party system.

As the Republicans showed me just how much they loved big gov't, I got disillusioned and moved on. I was a real-deal Libertarian until 9/11 happened. That's when I realized that a) the Libertarians had no idea what real Americans were thinking, meaning they'll never be a successful party and b) real Americans actually loved being safe instead of free, which we're now committed to, forever and ever.

I have no further delusions about the future of America. Like every other country in the history of civilization, we've had our peak, and we're headed downhill. We've peaked in productivity, freedom of expression, and our affect on the world stage, and now we're not leading the world in any aspect of anything. Part of the reason for this is our political system, and our fears. Without the capacity for risk, we're an overblown joke.

I mean.......we bought blinds for our kitchen. Blinds. You pull the cord, they go up and down. These blinds have a yellow and black WARNING LABEL on the bottom. As if we bought something dangerous. Well of course it's dangerous - a child could strangle themselves on the cord. We no longer live in a strong, bold society. We live in fear of everything, we assume that people are stupid enough to let their child get strangled on a cord, and we feel the maker of the blinds is responsible if this happens. What kind of world are we living in?

This is why I do not debate politics at all anymore. In high school I was seriously considering creating a debate club at our school, and eventually becoming a political journalist. By the time I graduated I realized that was all over. If you want to make a difference, you can step up and be a true martyr - all the rest is blowhard armchair BS. I decided I didn't want to exchange my life for a political one, and therefore, I bowed out of the whole deal.

I do wish America the best of luck...it still is home, and I still think I'll stay, at least until I truly feel that my own freedoms are being strangled enough that I have to leave.

[Morrigoon]

What she said

[Morrigoon]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I go back and forth with tamper proof national ID cards, which I think could realistically happen.

See, and I thought you were against big government....

National ID cards are pretty big government if you ask me, next thing you know, we'll be legally required to have them on our person at all times, just like the French.

[Alex]

For employment purposes, there is already a national ID card (your social security card, or if you don't have one the appropriate paperwork). So making one that actually fulfills that role isn't much of an increase in big government.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

For employment purposes, there is already a national ID card (your social security card, or if you don't have one the appropriate paperwork).

Annoyingly, it's not supposed to be a form of ID. I remember that the perforated sheet mine came on (my mom's crazy and kept the sheet as well as the card) actually had, "Not a valid form of ID" printed on it. I always use my passport when asked for ID by employers.