Amnesty and my membership in the Republican party

scaeagles · 05-18-2007, 04:48 PM

Freedom does not mean freedom from inconvenience, does it? I am free to fly as long as I am willing to go through airport security. Does it make me less free that it takes time and is a hassle? I have a choice as to if I want to fly.

To drive I need a license and insurance. To leave the country I need a passport and must endure customs. There are many inconveniences that do not make me less free.

Strangler Lewis · 05-18-2007, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

There are many inconveniences that do not make me less free.

True, but where would freedom end for you? Routine unannounced searches of your home that presumably would not ever turn up anything (unless you mouthed off) but might at the fellow's house down the street? Police with batons on every street corner telling people to move along? Listening devices to check in on your harmless conversation?

Alex · 05-18-2007, 05:55 PM

No, but making sure that only authorized people cross a border doesn't seem like an unreasonable pinch point.

Considering the depressing effect that illegal immigration has on pay I'm always amazed that there is more progressive opposition to it.

Amnesty's have been tried all over the world (here previously, most European countries) and all the evidence indicates that they simply promote greater illegal immigration in the future under the belief that if you stay long enough eventually you'll be normalized.

One immigration change that I think should be made is so that citizenship is not granted merely for the coincidence of being born on American soil.

innerSpaceman · 05-18-2007, 06:38 PM

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One immigration change that I think should be made is so that citizenship is not granted merely for the coincidence of being born on American soil.

Oh, and what would you have the requirements be, then?

Directed not solely to Alex, but to all other who have expressed this rather puzzling (to me) opinion.

Capt Jack · 05-18-2007, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Perhaps this is not the place ... ok, maybe it is.

A question for the Cap'n Jacks and scaeagles of the world:

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Oh, and what would you have the requirements be, then?

Directed not solely to Alex, but to all other who have expressed this rather puzzling (to me) opinion.

you ask good questions. what do you suggest or envision? Certainly not a wide open border or open citizenship to anyone who sets foot. I'll be the first to say theres no easy solution or any solution that pleases everyone, but I take exception to periodically granting amnesty to everyone lucky enough to be here on payday.

what is it you find so puzzling?

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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	No, but making sure that only authorized people cross a border doesn't seem like an unreasonable pinch point. Considering the depressing effect that illegal immigration has on pay I'm always amazed that there is more progressive opposition to it. Amnesty's have been tried all over the world (here previously, most European countries) and all the evidence indicates that they simply promote greater illegal immigration in the future under the belief that if you stay long enough eventually you'll be normalized. One immigration change that I think should be made is so that citizenship is not granted merely for the coincidence of being born on American soil.
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