Republican National Convention '08

[Tenigma]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I admit I wanted to like her and her speech. I did. I would figure that unless she came out touting the full democrat agenda there's nothing that's going to change that. For every cry of petty on the dem side toward her, I can shout cries of vacuous and same-old same-old for the Obama speech.

Goodness, why didn't you just read her speech transcript like you did the other guy so you wouldn't be unduly influenced by her teleprompter-reading ability?

I didn't watch the whole thing but I'll agree that she definitely has a fire. Nice contrast (?) to a 72-year-old has-been tottering man, although the thought of seeing a born-again tongue-speaking Pentecostal extremist in the White House who probably can't differentitate Eye-raq from Eye-ran on a map is a really scary.

[scaeagles]

That's why I gave the excuse of breaking my rules first at the behest of ISM to watch Kucinich. Made me feel better about it. I did read it afterwards. I watched it because I had absolutely no idea what her voice even sounded like. At least I've seena ll the others invovled speak before. And FYI, I muted Rudy. In the 2 minutes the volume was on, I really was completely unimpressed.

I still have to laugh, because now the governor of AZ (who has a definitely chance of being AG under Obama) is slamming on Palin's experience levels and comparing them to Obama. I just think it is amazing that the dems have to compare his experience to hers when he's on the top of the ticket.

Perhaps she at least considers Iran to be a threat instead of a small country that poses none whatsoever to the US, as Obama said.....don't exactly remember when, but I'm thinking a couple months ago.

[Moonliner]

She makes McCain look even older and more fragile.

[3894]

“No matter how cynical I get, it’s just never enough to keep up.”
-Lily Tomlin

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

What we heard tonight was the same garbage dividing this country again.

Dividing the country? Who's counting the number of people by race again? I looked at the convention and saw an audience......you looked at the convention and had to "divide" them by race.

Originally Posted by wendybeth

I think you just pointed out the obvious, Jeff- but the real question is why is one demographic so overwhelmingly Dem? It just seems that if alienation wasn't a problem there would have been more diversity in the audience.

Why do we have to divide people up by demographics? MLK never talked like this.

Originally Posted by scaeagles

By the way, Obama in the last couple days has been commenting on Palin as a mayor of a small town, saying his job managing his campaign is tougher with more people to manage. So it has been fairly recent.

I find this laughable...if someone included "preparing this resume" on their resume as "experience" I would round-file it....after passing it around for a good chuckle.

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

Dividing the country? Who's counting the number of people by race again? I looked at the convention and saw an audience......you looked at the convention and had to "divide" them by race.

If you want to spin it that way, let's go there...
The country is divided by race. The dividing I was talking about has to do with Republicans and Democrats. There was no talk of unity in her speech. It's once again all about how we're safer as a country with a Republican at the helm. Uh, yeah. She's touting how McCain's experience is going to be an asset to the country. Four years ago, the experience of a war veteran was used against him by Republicans. It's the same double-standard that the Republicans use over and over again. And the same stupid people that voted for Bush Jr are going to vote for McCain, they'll fall for that overused rhetoric again. It's sad, really. Obama's not perfect and I'm not sure if I like Biden, but Obama is the lesser of two "evils" here. Palin demonstrated last night that with their ticket, we'll continue the Bush way of thinking. I'm not up for four more years of that.

[wendybeth]

Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

Dividing the country? Who's counting the number of people by race again? I looked at the convention and saw an audience......you looked at the convention and had to "divide" them by race.



Why do we have to divide people up by demographics? MLK never talked like this.

Uhm, yeah he did. He pointed out the disparities in education, employment opportunities, housing, etc, that black Americans face. He did so quite frequently.

From Wikipedia:Demographics or demographic data refers to selected population characteristics as used in government, marketing or opinion research, or the demographic profiles used in such research. Note the distinction from the term "demography" (see below.) Commonly-used demographics include race, age, income, disabilities, mobility (in terms of travel time to work or number of vehicles available), educational attainment, home ownership, employment status, and even location. Distributions of values within a demographic variable, and across households, are both of interest, as well as trends over time. Demographics are frequently used in economic and marketing research.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

For every cry of petty on the dem side toward her, I can shout cries of vacuous and same-old same-old for the Obama speech.

Did you have responses to my point-by-point post, or are you calling it petty to actually talk about issues? Are you happy that she and her party are happy to throw out Miranda rights and due process? That they keep saying a victory is "in sight", same as they did 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 years ago, while more Americans die? That she lied to us about Obama's tax plan?

I went looking for Obama attacking Palin and found this. As the very next post in that thread says - he was asked to compare, and he did, so how is that attacking? If you've got links about the man himself putting down another candidate's experience, (never mind the snarky fashion that Palin did it in) I'd like to see it.

[scaeagles]

I do indeed have point by point responses to your post, CP. I didn't think it would be productive to talk about them, really. I didn't call you petty at all - I was remarking how Palin is being called petty. I don't think you're being petty, you are disagreeing with what she said, which is fine and I have no problem with.

Because you specifically mention Iraq....the Anbar province, which before the surge was the worst area, is now under control and in fact the Iraqis now head up any and all operations there. Deaths and attacks are dropping monthly, regularly acheiving new lows. Iraqis are coming together as they have found that the US isn't going to leave a power vacuum and they have someone to help them stand up to the ruthlessness of those who don't want change there. All signs point to improvement. McCain was for the surge and stood by it. Obama was against the surge and still denies it being the reason for the improving conditions.

Obamas tax plan is far, far beyond income taxes. I have even commented that if your "calculate your tax cut" is accurate I would be getting quite a large income tax cut. Increasing the other taxes that he has indeed proposed, including but not limited to capital gains and corporate taxes, do indeed have an immensely negative effect and increase costs to the middle class. Obama's tax policies are not only income taxes.

If you dislike Palin, that's cool. I've got no problem with that. Obama was indeed asked about the experience issue and offered that being a mayor is not as much experience as running a campaign. That is insulting, whether offered in a "snarky" fashion or not. One man's snarky is another man's humor. I thought it was funny, not snarky. All opinion, and ours certainly vary.

Now, I have no doubt you will come back and dispute what i've said above, which is why I didn't respond to them point by point earlier. I'm not interested in rehashing everything that has been gone over before because it never leads anywhere. I only respond because you specifically asked.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Sorry about the "petty" mixup, my mistake.

Originally Posted by scaeagles

All signs point to improvement.

If it really is so great out there, how come they won't talk about pulling out? You can't say "the war is almost won" and "we need to stay there for more than 16 months from now" in the same breath.

Obama's tax policies are not only income taxes.

This does not answer the fact that she misleadingly said he would raise income taxes but didn't make it clear that it was for anyone over $250,000 a year. The word here is "misleading".

If you dislike Palin, that's cool.

I dislike what she said. Why would you say this after I made it clear that I was countering her stance on issues, not on the person herself? Is that all you see in my posts - "she doesn't like her"? Dude, way to trivialize my points.

Obama was indeed asked about the experience issue and offered that being a mayor is not as much experience as running a campaign. That is insulting, whether offered in a "snarky" fashion or not.

So what do you think he should have said, in response to the question of how their jobs compare? Should he have lied and said managing 50 employees is the same as managing 2500?

Now, I have no doubt you will come back and dispute what i've said above, which is why I didn't respond to them point by point earlier. I'm not interested in rehashing everything that has been gone over before because it never leads anywhere.

You mean, like a debate? Give me a break, when you want to talk about something, it's fine, when I want to talk about issues, you call it rehashing?