Republican National Convention '08

[scaeagles]

I do indeed have point by point responses to your post, CP. I didn't think it would be productive to talk about them, really. I didn't call you petty at all - I was remarking how Palin is being called petty. I don't think you're being petty, you are disagreeing with what she said, which is fine and I have no problem with.

Because you specifically mention Iraq....the Anbar province, which before the surge was the worst area, is now under control and in fact the Iraqis now head up any and all operations there. Deaths and attacks are dropping monthly, regularly acheiving new lows. Iraqis are coming together as they have found that the US isn't going to leave a power vacuum and they have someone to help them stand up to the ruthlessness of those who don't want change there. All signs point to improvement. McCain was for the surge and stood by it. Obama was against the surge and still denies it being the reason for the improving conditions.

Obamas tax plan is far, far beyond income taxes. I have even commented that if your "calculate your tax cut" is accurate I would be getting quite a large income tax cut. Increasing the other taxes that he has indeed proposed, including but not limited to capital gains and corporate taxes, do indeed have an immensely negative effect and increase costs to the middle class. Obama's tax policies are not only income taxes.

If you dislike Palin, that's cool. I've got no problem with that. Obama was indeed asked about the experience issue and offered that being a mayor is not as much experience as running a campaign. That is insulting, whether offered in a "snarky" fashion or not. One man's snarky is another man's humor. I thought it was funny, not snarky. All opinion, and ours certainly vary.

Now, I have no doubt you will come back and dispute what i've said above, which is why I didn't respond to them point by point earlier. I'm not interested in rehashing everything that has been gone over before because it never leads anywhere. I only respond because you specifically asked.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Sorry about the "petty" mixup, my mistake.

Originally Posted by scaeagles

All signs point to improvement.

If it really is so great out there, how come they won't talk about pulling out? You can't say "the war is almost won" and "we need to stay there for more than 16 months from now" in the same breath.

Obama's tax policies are not only income taxes.

This does not answer the fact that she misleadingly said he would raise income taxes but didn't make it clear that it was for anyone over $250,000 a year. The word here is "misleading".

If you dislike Palin, that's cool.

I dislike what she said. Why would you say this after I made it clear that I was countering her stance on issues, not on the person herself? Is that all you see in my posts - "she doesn't like her"? Dude, way to trivialize my points.

Obama was indeed asked about the experience issue and offered that being a mayor is not as much experience as running a campaign. That is insulting, whether offered in a "snarky" fashion or not.

So what do you think he should have said, in response to the question of how their jobs compare? Should he have lied and said managing 50 employees is the same as managing 2500?

Now, I have no doubt you will come back and dispute what i've said above, which is why I didn't respond to them point by point earlier. I'm not interested in rehashing everything that has been gone over before because it never leads anywhere.

You mean, like a debate? Give me a break, when you want to talk about something, it's fine, when I want to talk about issues, you call it rehashing?

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

If it really is so great out there, how come they won't talk about pulling out? You can't say "the war is almost won" and "we need to stay there for more than 16 months from now" in the same breath.

This does not answer the fact that she misleadingly said he would raise income taxes but didn't make it clear that it was for anyone over $250,000 a year. The word here is "misleading".

I dislike what she said. Why would you say this after I made it clear that I was countering her stance on issues, not on the person herself? Is that all you see in my posts - "she doesn't like her"? Dude, way to trivialize my points.

So what do you think he should have said, in response to the question of how their jobs compare? Should he have lied and said managing 50 employees is the same as managing 2500?

You mean, like a debate? Give me a break, when you want to talk about something, it's fine, when I want to talk about issues, you call it rehashing?

There is talk about pulling out. There have been numerous stories recently about discussions we've been having with the Iraqi government.

I should have been more clear, and I apologize for the saying you don't like Palin. I honestly meant her policies. I don't beleive I have said anything demeaning about you or your posts, nor am I trying to trivialize.

What should he have said? I don't know. Her management of a state, which is her current job, she has been doing longer than he has been running his campaign and it is indeed larger in scope than a campaign. He chose, I believe deliberately - which is fine - to focus on being a mayor of a small town rather than her being a governor of a state, designed specifically to belittle her. I have no problem with that. Of course one needs to present a case in as positive a light as you can for yourself.

I feel like I have a no win situation in political threads recently. If I post what I think and ask questions, I have recently been accused of baiting and other things. So now I temper my responses, being as inoffensive as I could possibly be and avoiding discussions of things that have been gone over before to avoid the appearance of baiting, and that is wrong as well. CP, I have never been one to avoid debate, which I think is obvious.

[Strangler Lewis]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

If it really is so great out there, how come they won't talk about pulling out? You can't say "the war is almost won" and "we need to stay there for more than 16 months from now" in the same breath.

Originally Posted by scaeagles

There is talk about pulling out. There have been numerous stories recently about discussions we've been having with the Iraqi government.

Okay, so the Iraq is, like, Bristol Palin, and we're like Levi. And the Iraq is like, you should pull out, and we're, like, I know, but just a little longer. And the Iraq is, like, I want you to pull out. And we're, like, no you don't. And the Iraq is, like, no I don't, but you should. And we're, like, the surge is working, say it. And the Iraq is, like, the surge is working, pull out. And we're like, tell me you're ready to govern yourself. And the Iraq, like, doesn't say anything. And we're, like, I can't pull out 'til you say you can govern yourself. And then the Iraq, like, fakes it and says, yes, baby, I can govern myself, oh yes. Now pull out. And we're like, you think I can't tell you're faking. And then . . .