Super Tuesday

[innerSpaceman]

I don't want revenge, per se ... but I DO want someone who will spend significant energy trying to UNDO almost everything Bush did. Warrentless wiretapping and all the other unconstitutional violations of privacy rights (far too numerous to mention), the disrespect and loathing in the world forum mentioned above, tax cuts and other distributions of wealth to the top 1% of the wealthy, torture in Cuba and other black sites around the globe, Iraq of course, defunding of vital social services, etc., the fvcking list goes on and on and on and on.


Yes, an anti-Bush is what I want. Ha! My candidate Clinton is hardly that! I'm for either her or Obama, half dozen of one. I think she will attempt less lofty things, but get more of them accomplished. And I believe he will attempt and speak of lotsa the lofty, but get very little of it actually done.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

And I don't think that is what the average Democrat wants, at least I truly hope not.

Nor do I. It's just starting to feel to me that, with everything else being so tight, that's the small edge she's getting. Perhaps I'm being too cynical, I don't know.

I'll vote for Hillary in a general election, but I won't be happy about it.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

Thanks.



Well, I can only speak for myself but, a revenge candidate is the furthest thing from my mind and certainly NOT what I want in a candidate. And I don't think that is what the average Democrat wants, at least I truly hope not. I want an effective leader that can get things done, and not waste a moment their time trying to stick it to anyone. There are too many incredibly important issues that need to full attention of the next administration and by that, I don't necessarily mean health care, although I would like to see progress made in that area.

But more important to me is someone who can regain some international respect, which I think Hillary or Obama can, and try to find solutions to the messes abroad and at home. We are coming upon a recession and our military is breaking. Those are two of my biggest concerns, and if health care has to take a backburner to those issues, I will accept that for the time being. And honestly, I think either candidate is going to show up at the Oval Office with so much on their plate that neither are going to be able to give social programs the attention they are professing right now. I just don't see it happening. There is so much to fix right now and prioritization is going to be the key. At least, that's how I see it. And if any democrat were to allow themself to get sidelined with some petty tit-for-tat bullshyt, they are going to raise my ire considerably.

I agree. That's why I can't support Hillary. We need a president who can work with both parties to get America back on track. I just can't see Hillary being that person. The right hate her too much.

[Not Afraid]

Well, it's out of our hands now and onto the rest of the states. McCain won't win an election so whomever ends up getting the Dem-Nom will get my support (and will likely be the next President).

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Originally Posted by JWBear

I agree. That's why I can't support Hillary. We need a president who can work with both parties to get America back on track. I just can't see Hillary being that person. The right hate her too much.

Which is what I find puzzling about the hatred of Clinton. In many ways, she is a centrist. Much more so than Obama, I would think. It would seem that, if the right were to get a handle on their visceral hatred of this woman for a moment, they would realize that A) a democrat IS going to win. and B) there is likely a better chance of her working with them, for better or worse. I think that Obama, with a democrat controlled congress is going to potentially make them wish she got the nod.

Then again, perhaps that is why Coulter is supporting her. Either that, or it is reverse psychology, in the sense that by supporting her, they hope others will and they feel that they might actually be able to beat her. Honestly, I don't think they can though.

I found the numbers of votes in each state interesting yesterday. In every state that I saw, democratic voters far outnumbered Republicans. Maybe I'm missing something, but I didn't expect to see that.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

A) a democrat IS going to win. and B) there is likely a better chance of her working with them, for better or worse. I think that Obama, with a democrat controlled congress is going to potentially make them wish she got the nod.

I completely disagree. I perceive Hillary to be someone who is more interested in making her opponents look bad in order to gain political advantage than she is in doing the right thing.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

I completely disagree. I perceive Hillary to be someone who is more interested in making her opponents look bad in order to gain political advantage than she is in doing the right thing.

Interesting. I don't see it that way, obviously. And it seems to me that if she simply does the right thing, as you say, that will completely serve the purpose of making them look bad in order to gain political advantage - without even trying. Sort of a killing two birds with one stone scenario. And hell, after the last eight years, is it even possible to make them look worse?

[mousepod]

GD - I'm not sure exactly how you arrived at your POV, but I hope you're wrong. I definitely see her more as an old-school politician, so I do feel that the "change" bandwagon she's jumped on is a little disingenuous, but I still think she's more about getting things done. God I hope I'm right.

[innerSpaceman]

The hatred of Bill was also a puzzler to me. I loathed him as a president ... he governed as a freaking Republican. And all I can imagine is that they hated him because he stole their playbook.


In any event, this was the first primary election in a long time where I had to hem and haw about my vote, really liking both candidates. It's strange not to vote for the lesser of two evils. I can't remember when that was the case.

What's more surprising is that I will like BOTH candidates in the general election for president. I have always liked and respected John McCain. (scaeagles' recent rants about him have done nothing, one might imagine, to change my opinion of him as a great man.)


I have a pledge here on LoT to vote for McCain against Hillary (if she's the nominee) because she is so divisive a figure. I don't know if I'll be able to stand by that ... but it will be the first time EVER that I've actually liked the Republican nominee for president and would consider voting for them.


Wow, what an odd election this is turning out to be!

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

And it seems to me that if she simply does the right thing, as you say, that will completely serve the purpose of making them look bad in order to gain political advantage - without even trying.

And that's where I part ways. To me, a vote for Hillary is a vote to continue the divisive "Everything on MY side of the aisle is right, everything on THE OTHER side of the aisle is wrong" politics. I fear her administration is going to be entirely reactionary. "They had their way for 8 years, now we'll have ours!" I just don't see Hillary doing anything but continuing politics as usual, something I despise, no matter how closely my views on the issues align with those in charge.