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|  04-16-2010, 03:03 PM | #2531 | 
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				            | Someone get this man a gold star! I avoided all news outlets after I heard about that too. Just in case. | 
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|  04-21-2010, 03:26 PM | #2532 | 
| I Floop the Pig | Am I the only one who sees the problem with the treatment option for the woman in this story? So she starves her 1 year old son to death due to blindly following a religious cult...and the treatment includes bible study? Ummmm.... 
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|  04-21-2010, 03:30 PM | #2533 | |
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|  04-21-2010, 04:08 PM | #2534 | |
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 The judge not only threw out (okay, suspended, whatever) her 20 year sentence and forced her into "treatment" that includes religious indoctrination? Are you fücking kidding me judge?!? Please re-read the First Amendment. | |
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|  04-21-2010, 04:45 PM | #2535 | 
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				            | Yes, the Bible will teach her that when God asks you to kill your child, it's only a test.  He doesn't really mean it.  He will, however, kill the children of your enemies.  Ultimately, if really pissed, he will kill his own son, but just for a while, which triggers the favorable portions of his plea deal. 
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|  04-21-2010, 04:45 PM | #2536 | 
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				            | Well, I always have an issue with any government mandated program that has a religious requirement (but I won't go into detail because I don't want to piss off people here again) so just on that level I've got issues. That said, if she is of such a strongly religious bent that she starved her child it might be better to wean her on a form of religion that does not starve children rather than asking her to go cold turkey. | 
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|  04-21-2010, 05:40 PM | #2537 | 
| ohhhh baby | I like to think that if the gov't ever gave me a religious requirement of any kind, I'd take it all the way to the Supreme Court. | 
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|  04-21-2010, 07:00 PM | #2538 | |
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  (Sorry Alex - or at least that's what I think you were alluding to) 
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|  04-21-2010, 09:22 PM | #2539 | 
| I Floop the Pig | I wouldn't suggest isolating her from religion cold turkey.  And I understand that religiosity (whether it's generic bible study, or generic spirituality) are easy and, by some measures, effective shortcuts in a system that simply has to rely on shortcuts to point people towards a better path.  And I have no doubt it works for a lot of people.  And I know the judge didn't say, "Put her in bible study, that'll learn her!" it just is part of the default program.  It just happens that a case like this points out the shortcomings of relying exclusively on those shortcuts.  I have no problem with access to religious outlets being part of recovery programs, as long as there's some choice invovled. but I don't know, it's not like the article has details. There's nothing that says that participation in bible study is compulsory, so maybe it's over reaction, and Alex is right, I can't argue that mainstream religious oxposure probably would still do her some good. But I can't shake the eerie feeling I get when I think of it as treating someone who clearly doesn't process religious thinking very well with more religion. 
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|  04-21-2010, 09:29 PM | #2540 | 
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				            | How about the part of her plea deal thatsays " If Javon comes back to life, the plea will be withdrawn"   Seriously WTF!!??!  What kind of court room was this! | 
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