Yes, we can.

[Snowflake]

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

I join you in your naive hopes!

But if it comes down to Obama vs. McCain (which was my prediction a while back), I predict some ugly mudslinging from the extremist cons.

I'll second your naive hopes and raise you a milkshake.

I think <Old English Font>There Will Be Mudslinging </Old English Font>

[Strangler Lewis]

Exactly what Michelle Obama was trying to say.

[Kevy Baby]

Originally Posted by Strangler Lewis

Exactly what Michelle Obama was trying to say.

Yes, but was she trying to say it in HD?

[3894]

A couple of observations from the Wisconsin primary:

• Wisconsin affirms the Iowa results: Obama does appeal and can lead an overwhelmingly white population. When the talking heads say that Hillary's constituency is "working class", that's code for "Archie Bunker racists". Wisconsin is full to the brim with people who proved yesterday that we have moved beyond the color barrier.

• A large part of Hillary's constituency is said to be women 50 and older. I am 50 and received a couple of pro-Obama phone calls from live women. I received only recorded phone messages from the Hillary camp, including one in a man's voice from my former union, the American Federation of Teachers. Based on this, Obama's organization is smarter than Hillary's.

• Both my kids, 15 and 18, like Obama so much that they've canvassed for him in the snow. That's no joke when the temp is 10 degrees and you're trudging door-to-door for four hours. My kids' enthusiasm for this candidate trumps any vestigal feelings of old-school feminist loyalty I may have towards Hillary.

• Local Obama siting: he came to the YMCA in a nearby dinky rural town the other day to work out. It was all hush-hush and only known after the fact. We do have other private workout clubs but Obama worked out in a YMCA. Calculating or not, this resonates with the locals, many of whom have lost their jobs as paper mills close.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Oh, right, I started a thread for Obama enthusiasts. Forgot about that.

Helen, that's awesome about your kids. If I were their age I'd probably be doing the same (though I won't even compare weather conditions). I got an email from the Obama camp asking me to go to Texas to get out the vote. For a split second I considered it

I am so glad to hear the returns from Wisconsin (yay Helen!) and Hawaii. A 17 point gap in WI, and a 52 point gap in HI (he is from there, after all).

[Kevy Baby]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

Oh, right, I started a thread for Obama enthusiasts. Forgot about that.

Sorry if I took away from your thread - it was not my intention. I tried to focus on responding to some things being said here and once it stopped; I stopped.

Sorry for the hijack.

[scaeagles]

CP, are you suggesting that you don't want all aspects of Obama discussed here? If so, I'll step out, because i am not an Obama enthusiast.

But as that request hasn't been made yet....

I've been trying to really think about what bothers me about what Mrs. Obama said....she wasn't speaking off the cuff. It was a prepared comment. She had the time to review what she wanted to say and worded it this way anyway. This tells me that she isn't proud that we led the way to the fall of the Soviet Union - and if she doesn't believe it was because of the US and UK, that bothers me all the more. There are too many things the US does that are good to say she hasn't been proud of the US in her adult life. Unless she's only 20. Then I guess I could understand it a bit more.

[3894]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I've been trying to really think about what bothers me about what Mrs. Obama said....she wasn't speaking off the cuff. It was a prepared comment. She had the time to review what she wanted to say and worded it this way anyway. This tells me that she isn't proud that we led the way to the fall of the Soviet Union - and if she doesn't believe it was because of the US and UK, that bothers me all the more. There are too many things the US does that are good to say she hasn't been proud of the US in her adult life. Unless she's only 20. Then I guess I could understand it a bit more.

With all due respect, scaeagles, it's not rocket science. Mrs. Obama is an African-American woman. She was talking about living people who've endured Jim Crow laws, who thought that they'd never, ever see an African-American run for president in their lifetime.

It's a squeeze into those pink, pointy-toed pumps, but put yourself in her shoes. It takes a hell of a lot of love for your country to let your spouse run for president. It takes triple that if he's a black man and triple- prime assassination target.

Edited to add: The extreme right wing's attacks on the patriotism of other Americans is beyond tiresome, beyond boring, and right into past-date garbage.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by 3894

With all due respect, scaeagles, it's not rocket science. Mrs. Obama is an African-American woman. She was talking about living people who've endured Jim Crow laws, who thought that they'd never, ever see an African-American run for president in their lifetime.

It's a squeeze into those pink, pointy-toed pumps, but put yourself in her shoes. It takes a hell of a lot of love for your country to let your spouse run for president. It takes triple that if he's a black man and triple- prime assassination target.

Edited to add: The extreme right wing's attacks on the patriotism of other Americans is beyond tiresome, beyond boring, and right into past-date garbage.

Hmmm....I dont recall Jim Crow laws during her adult life.....she said during her adult life. She has obviously been so downtrodden (I'm being sarcastic with that in case it didn't come across). She didn't say she didn't love her country. She said there was nothing in the last 26 years (she's 44) that she's been proud of. That's ridiculous and after thinking about it, I make no apology for calling her out about it. She said it twice during the day in two different locations. She meant exactly what she said.

And I'm not going to fall for the extreme right wing attack on Patriotism rhetoric. I did no such thing except to point out a major and world changing historical event. I didn't put words in her mouth.

[3894]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

She said there was nothing in the last 26 years (she's 44) that she's been proud of. That's ridiculous and after thinking about it, I make no apology for calling her out about it. She said it twice during the day in two different locations. She meant exactly what she said.

Mrs. Obama said,

"Let me tell you, for the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country. Not just because Barack is doing well, but I think people are hungry for change."

You can't see that she's talking about a political process that excluded African-Americans until recently????

I did no such thing except to point out a major and world changing historical event. I didn't put words in her mouth.

But you continue to divorce her words from her context. It's shrill and it's dishonest.