The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux)

[Nephythys]

Border fence?

Mexican President calls it an embarrassment

Frankly I think it's an embarassment that we do not adhere to our own laws and deport illegals-

[innerSpaceman]

Really, did you find the Berlin Wall simply a method of enforcing communist laws? Or did you cheer when beloved Ronnie brought it down?

[Nephythys]

The Berlin wall divided a country- this divides two countries, one of which is flooding illegally into the other. Different situation.

[innerSpaceman]

Really? Well, how long have the U.S. and Mexico been two countries?


How long were East Germany and West Germany two countries?



What is your time limit on when two countries made from one are legitimately two countries not subject to reunification? 50 years? A hundred? Two?


What makes your chosen time limit unarbitrary?




Or is the southern half of the United States simply rightfully "ours" because it's ours, and East Germany was never rightfully the East Germans' because it was "theirs?"

[Alex]

Is there no difference between a wall designed to keep people out and a wall designed to keep people in?

What is your time limit on when two countries made from one are legitimately two countries not subject to reunification? 50 years? A hundred? Two?

When were the United States and Mexico a single country? Or would you be ok with such a wall if it were simply farther north so that illegally entering Mexicans couldn't get to the parts of the country that were never part of Mexico?

I don't really support the building of this fence but I don't see what is so abhorrent about building a wall to make more difficult the passage of people into areas that they are not supposed to go. When you cross the border in San Diego, you pass through a wall. Is that wall an embarrassment or just when it is made much longer?

What makes your chosen time limit unarbitrary?

Do you honestly believe that the goal of illegal immigration from Mexico is reunification? Do you really believe that those illegal immigrants would want to see the Southwestern United States once again become part of Mexico? Is it not then a betrayal of those ideals that so many of them end up in Minnesota, New York, Ohio, and Florida?

How long were East Germany and West Germany two countries

Six years when the wall was built

Really? Well, how long have the U.S. and Mexico been two countries?

If the wall is built next year it will be 197 years since they both existed as these separate entities. Much, much longer if you count since they they were separate political entities. If you mean since the various parts of the United States that used to be part of Mexico then 169 years for most of what is Texas, 159 years for large parts of New Mexico, Arizona, and California. 153 years for the final pieces of southern Arizona and New Mexico purchased (to allow railroad construction along a preferred route) in 1854.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I'm offended by the wall only in the sense that it's a huge waste of money and resources and is just a distraction from solving the underlying issues that make risking life and limb to cross the border an attractive option. Until those problems are solved, no amount of bandaids is going to stop the bleeding.

[Alex]

That's pretty much why I don't support it. But the idea of a wall itself doesn't offend me.

If anybody should be embarrassed it is Vicente Fox for having a country so many people are so eager to get away from.

[Nephythys]

"You can't make socialists out of individualists. Children who know how to think for themselves spoil the harmony of the collective society" - John Dewey, "the father of modern education," - avowed socialist, co-author of the "Humanist Manifesto." & member of 15 Marxist front organizations.

[JWBear]

Influence of religious right may hurt GOP.

Interesting, but not surprising.

[BarTopDancer]

Is the election over yet?