did John Kerry just call soldiers stupid?

innerSpaceman · 11-01-2006, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman, posting in the wrong thread about Kerry ...

Oh, I think anybody is responsible for the words they say ... but how can anyone be responsible for other people's reactions or upset? Those reactions are completely up to the persons having them ... or do they have no free will while the speaker has complete free will? (don't answer that, Alex).

In a very real sense, I feel a speaker bears a certain responsiblity for how his or her words are taken ... in that if they are not taken they way the speaker meant, then the speaker has failed in some way. I think John Kerry failed in a big way. But even that failure does not make him, or anyone, responsible for reactions. He is only responsible for his words, not what others make of them.

If, based on reactions, a speaker judges to adjust his words, that is wisdom. If anyone claims a speaker responsible for the reactions to those words, that is folly.

So why is Neph talking about Kerry is the Random thread when there are two perfectly good specifically Kerry threads in progress?

wendybeth · 11-01-2006, 11:36 PM

Spreading the joy.

€uroMeinke · 11-01-2006, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

So why is Neph talking about Kerry is the Random thread when there are two perfectly good specifically Kerry threads in progress?

I believe it is a test of your moderating abilities

Nephythys · 11-02-2006, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

I believe it is a test of your moderating abilities

Actually it's because I started the topic in the Random thread before Tramspotter started the new thread- that's why.

I suspect there are time stamps that show that-yup, by almost 90 minutes.

SacTown Chronic · 11-02-2006, 08:10 AM

I do not think Kerry was talking about Bush. But I also do not think he called the soldiers dumb. What Kerry said is the exact same fvcking thing I've said to my children untold times. Mind your business or you might end up a soldier or some such. And I don't believe there is a parent on this board who hasn't used some variation of this theme on their children. The military IS a last chance for many people. The military is also a means to an end as scaeagles says, I admit. But the number of people using the military to achieve their goals is a hell of a lot smaller than the number of people being used by the military.

For the record, I think you must be some sort of dumb phuck to enlist while GWB controls the military. Sux to be the person MbC described, certainly. Sux to be someone who enlisted after 9/11 to go to Afghanistan only to have Bush pull the ol' bait-and-switch on yer sorry azz and send you to Iraq. But if you enlisted specifically to fight in Iraq, well, I think you stoopid.

Funny how this entire faux outrage produces not one iota of debate over the merits of being in Iraq to begin with. Even the neocons take it as a given that the war is fvcked and they can only split hairs over someone who is NOT EVEN UP FOR ELECTION next week. Telling stuff.

Where was all this defense of our soldiers when Bush first floated the idea to invade Iraq? Neocons will make hay all day long over a non-issue but won't lift a finger to, you know, actually save a soldier's life.

Strangler Lewis · 11-02-2006, 08:18 AM

Nice bit on The Daily Show last night recalling a tuxedoed Bush's jokey speech about how hard he was looking for WMDs. He played a series of pictures of himself crawling around nooks and crannies of the White House. Got a good laugh. As the Daily Show correspondent pointed out, the man knows how to deliver a joke.

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SacTown Chronic the myth of the dream Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,217	I do not think Kerry was talking about Bush. But I also do not think he called the soldiers dumb. What Kerry said is the exact same fvcking thing I've said to my children untold times. Mind your business or you might end up a soldier or some such. And I don't believe there is a parent on this board who hasn't used some variation of this theme on their children. The military IS a last chance for many people. The military is also a means to an end as scaeagles says, I admit. But the number of people using the military to achieve their goals is a hell of a lot smaller than the number of people being used by the military. For the record, I think you must be some sort of dumb phuck to enlist while GWB controls the military. Sux to be the person MbC described, certainly. Sux to be someone who enlisted after 9/11 to go to Afghanistan only to have Bush pull the ol' bait-and-switch on yer sorry azz and send you to Iraq. But if you enlisted specifically to fight in Iraq, well, I think you stoopid. Funny how this entire faux outrage produces not one iota of debate over the merits of being in Iraq to begin with. Even the neocons take it as a given that the war is fvcked and they can only split hairs over someone who is NOT EVEN UP FOR ELECTION next week. Telling stuff. Where was all this defense of our soldiers when Bush first floated the idea to invade Iraq? Neocons will make hay all day long over a non-issue but won't lift a finger to, you know, actually save a soldier's life.
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