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11-02-2006, 08:29 AM
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My only disdain is for the president, for sending troops to die for a cause that seems to be the oil business. I have compassion for the troops; I'm sorry they found themselves in the position to have to go to war. I'm sorry that many of them felt like they didn't have any other choice. I'm sorry that some of them were pulled unwittingly into Vietnam: Now! With more Iraq!
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11-02-2006, 08:33 AM
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Yeah, that's about it-
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Disclaimer- those who have disdain for the troops know I was referring to them. (which did not- for the record- include you H  )I don't agree with your view- but I have never seen a disdain for the troops in anything you have posted. |
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11-02-2006, 09:06 AM
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Kink of Swank
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Still .... we haven't been on the "good" side of a war in 60 years and, hmmm coincidence? - we haven't won one since then either. Plenty of time, even for people born only 20 years ago, to figure out the U.S. military is a malevolent force that, btw, loses every war it gets into. It's a VOLUNTEER army ... these young men and women CHOSE to become warriors at the disposal of a questionably-intended military juggernaut. That they may have seen little other option is also true of most criminals. That is not merely "disdain" for the troops; it is loathing and hatred. Oh, and I feel that for all "troops" everywhere and all people who commit violence for whatever purpose other than personal, immediate self-defense. |
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11-02-2006, 09:52 AM
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Doing The Job
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When it suits their purposes, the powers that be are perfectly capable of arguing that enlistees are not a bunch of stoic Cincinnatuses (Cincinnati?), but, rather, culturally unaware mutants who are bred for killing. This from a history of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell": "DoD officials and members of Congress contended that integration would lead to violence and harassment against gay and lesbian service members. For instance, Senator Sam Nunn (D-Ga.), chair of the Senate Armed Services Committee, stated that he would "fear for the lives of people in the military themselves" if the ban were lifted too quickly. [206] Marine Corps Colonel Frederick Peck testified that a main reason he would not want his gay son to join the Marines was fear of violence: "I would be very fearful that his life would be in jeopardy from his own troops. . . . Fratricide is something that exists out there, and there are people who would put my son’s life at risk in our own armed forces." [207] One Army official testified, "There is a large percentage of individuals who have a propensity toward violence in that regard." [208] Likewise, a spokesperson for the National Guard asserted that the "sanctioned integration of homosexuals . . . will create explosive situations both in the work and living environments." [209] I remember watching Colonel Peck's testimony on the news at the time. I found it rather chilling.
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