The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux)

[Nephythys]

gee thanks-as if I care? People who actually bother to know ME beyond the difference in political beliefs know better than someone who can't see past their politics and doesn't know DIDDLY about me.

If the left, libs, dems- would do ANYTHING to be deserving of respect maybe I would have some to show for them-meanwhile, excuse me if I show the disgust disdain and mistrust I have for them and their apologists and supporters.

Go ahead- try and tell me it is different on the left- that they do not show disrespect disdain and disgust for MY side, people like me.

I guess a boatload of dems also willfully misinterpreted poor Kerry's words.

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

Is there anyone in politics who this doesn't apply to? I mean, isn't that the crux of politicing? Who do you think is not being self-serving in today's political arena?

No one-

I was mainly referring to people here. It disappoints me to see the double standard.

I say something. Someone else takes my meaning and intent wrongly and gets upset. I say I did not mean it that way- and the predominant response is "you have to apologize and correct your way of saying things- it is not our problem." Putting it on me to take responsibility for their feelings and my words no matter my intent.

But take what Kerry said- same issue- and they are blaming everyone BUT him. It is everyone BUT him who misinterpreted. Other people created outrage where they was none- because he did not mean anything by it. Kerry does not have to correct himself, apologize or take responsibility for his own words- it's everyone else who has to correct themselves.

It's hypocritical, a clear double standard and I think shows a willingness to excuse people who share their ideaology but to slam and accuse those who don't- no matter their intent.

I'm sure it can cut both ways- but for now I am seeing it from this side of the fence and I find it sad.

[innerSpaceman]

Why is it a double standard to apply to you the responsibility you wish others to apply to Kerry? And why is it not your double standard to want a certain set of rules applied to you that you are not willing to apply to Kerry.

Either a person is responsible for other people's reactions or they are not. I contend they are not. Why, Neph, are YOU the one contending it's one way for you and another for Kerry?

And even if you claim others are equally double-standarding, how does that make your double-standarding any less wrong?

[Nephythys]

Well, because I am conservative and therefore inherently superior. Doh!

While I have often taken that reponsibility- Kerry has not. The guy could not even take responsibility for falling down while skiing- he blamed someone else. "I didn't fall, the SOB knocked me down"

He will always be a joke- a two faced joke.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I wonder if today someone might actually articulate the offense in the original statement. Still haven't seen it.

[innerSpaceman]

Actually, GD, in one of these threads, I have articulated the offense in the original statement. Taken out of context, I find it to strongly imply that people who don't do well iln school end up, in large numbers, serving in the military.

I don't take particular offense at that statement, but others do. Perhaps the context was Bush's No Child Left Behind, but since the undereducated have been flocking to the military option since loooooong before NCLB, I find the statement in and of itself to have the very meaning that some are finding offensive.

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

I wonder if today someone might actually articulate the offense in the original statement. Still haven't seen it.

Haven't seen it or haven't seen anything that is convincing enough for you to believe?

[Gn2Dlnd]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

gee thanks-as if I care? People who actually bother to know ME beyond the difference in political beliefs know better than someone who can't see past their politics and doesn't know DIDDLY about me.

You've given me no reason to want to get to know you. How would that enrich my life? You present yourself as a screeching harpy. If I recall, several years ago, when you were having issues with your son, I offered some personal experience that I thought would be helpful. You responded with the same sort of "how dare you assume you know anything about me" nonsense. I can't tell you the number of times people have said to me, "Oh, but she's so nice in person." Who cares? Stop being an unpaid attack ad. Stop being so insulting. Stop making generalizations about me and my politics. Stop making provocative posts and frothing up whenever someone responds. Stop being a living example of the phrase "double-standard."

The Kerry issue has nothing for me to do with politics. He said something that has been taken out of context and misinterpreted. If the entire world got their panties in a bunch over GW's verbal gaffes I would be just as irritated. Instead, thoughtful people laugh at him, while his supporters interpret it as good ol' boy speak.

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." —President George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004

Stop being so childish and start taking responsibility for the results of your behavior.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

Haven't seen it or haven't seen anything that is convincing enough for you to believe?

Haven't seen it, though iSm's is more towards the latter.

People may be interpreting it that way, but that's not what the statement says. We're talking about judging it based on the words spoken, right. Well, the words say "Uneducated people end up in the military." I'd like to know what the offense in that statement is. NOT the offense in the alternate interpretation, which he didn't say.

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by Gn2Dlnd

You've given me no reason to want to get to know you. How would that enrich my life? You present yourself as a screeching harpy. If I recall, several years ago, when you were having issues with your son, I offered some personal experience that I thought would be helpful. You responded with the same sort of "how dare you assume you know anything about me" nonsense. I can't tell you the number of times people have said to me, "Oh, but she's so nice in person." Who cares? Stop being an unpaid attack ad. Stop being so insulting. Stop making generalizations about me and my politics. Stop making provocative posts and frothing up whenever someone responds. Stop being a living example of the phrase "double-standard."

The Kerry issue has nothing for me to do with politics. He said something that has been taken out of context and misinterpreted. If the entire world got their panties in a bunch over GW's verbal gaffes I would be just as irritated. Instead, thoughtful people laugh at him, while his supporters interpret it as good ol' boy speak.

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." —President George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004

Stop being so childish and start taking responsibility for the results of your behavior.

Harpy-cool- now I can be an Egyptian Demon Bitch Harpy.

I take more responsibility than you can ever imagine-and I don't recall any advice from you-perhaps it was offered at a bad time and my tension showed through. How about you stop carrying that chip around- for goodness sake- let it go.

I have no froth. I have every right to be as hostile about what I consider vile politics as you do- because I have seen plenty of nasty comments from you about conservative politics. I don't choose to take them all personally.


Even better- use ignore- works wonders for me.