The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux)

[Nephythys]

Oh no- not FACTS!


ahhhhhhhhhhh!

Wuv ya Leo!

[innerSpaceman]

Thanks, Leo. I always prefer hearing things in context. I wish all speakers would be given that accord and respect, and I loathe the soundbite culture that makes almost every comment a zinger to be used as a weapon.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Perle says that he was assured by Vanity Fair that the story wouldn't be released until after the election, which it isn't. It is scheduled to be in the January issue. However, the press release from the magazine gave excerpts from the article before the election and now he is doing damage control.

In other words, party before country.

[Nephythys]

Funny you would mention party before country- sounds like the Democrat party through and through.

Editorial by Orson Scott-Card

Very long- but worth reading. Even he, as a Dem, can see the Dems are putting political power over the safety of our country.

What really scares me is the 2008 election. The Democratic Party is hopeless -- only clowns seem to be able to rise to prominence there these days, while they boot out the only Democrats serious about keeping America's future safe. But the Republicans are almost equally foolish, trying to find somebody who is farther right than Bush -- somebody who will follow the conservative line far better than the moderate Bush has ever attempted -- and somebody who will "kick butt" in foreign policy.

So if we get one of the leading Democrats as our new President in 2009, we'll be on the road to pusillanimous withdrawal and the resulting chaos in the world.

While if we elect any of the Republicans who are extremist enough to please the Hannity wing of the party, our resulting belligerence will likely provoke Islam into unifying behind one of the tyrants, which is every bit as terrifying an outcome.

I hope somebody emerges in one of the parties, at least, who commits himself or herself to continuing Bush's careful, wise, moderate, and so-far-successful policies in the War on Terror.

Meanwhile, we have this election. You have your vote. For the sake of our children's future -- and for the sake of all good people in the world who don't get to vote in the only election that matters to their future, too -- vote for no Congressional candidate who even hints at withdrawing from Iraq or opposing Bush's leadership in the war. And vote for no candidate who will hand control of the House of Representatives to those who are sworn to undo Bush's restrained but steadfast foreign policy in this time of war.

Heh- my kind of Dem. Too bad the moonbats seem to run the party.

[wendybeth]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

Oh no- not FACTS!


ahhhhhhhhhhh!

Wuv ya Leo!

Pssst, Nephy- that's what commonly known as 'spin', which is why you are so quick to buy it! Getting dizzy yet, dear?

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

Even he, as a Dem, can see the Dems are putting political power over the safety of our country.

A democrat in the grand tradition of Zell Miller. C'mon, the reason this guy considers himself a dem is solely based on his pro gun legislation stance. Otherwise, he has always been pro-war, pro-bush, and anti-gay. So I'm not in the least surprised that he feels the way he does.

And his view that we are winning the war in Iraq and on Terrorism in general has no basis in reality. Y'all can keep repeating those lines as much as possible. It doesn't change the fact that it isn't true. Just listen to what the military leaders are saying. They are there and they understand that they are in a hopeless situation.

And the sad fact is, I think that most republicans understand this as well. Unfortunately, it is more important to retain power than to try to figure out a way to putting an end to our soldiers being killed on a daily basis in an unwinnable war, simply because the administration refuses to admit that they erred in starting this war.

And yet, had they paid any attention to this:

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A series of secret U.S. war games in 1999 showed that an invasion and post-war administration of Iraq would require 400,000 troops, nearly three times the number there now.

And even then, the games showed, the country still had a chance of dissolving into chaos.

In the simulation, called Desert Crossing, 70 military, diplomatic and intelligence participants concluded the high troop levels would be needed to keep order, seal borders and take care of other security needs.

The documents came to light Saturday through a Freedom of Information Act request by George Washington University's National Security Archive, an independent research institute and library.

"The conventional wisdom is the U.S. mistake in Iraq was not enough troops," said Thomas Blanton, the archive's director. "But the Desert Crossing war game in 1999 suggests we would have ended up with a failed state even with 400,000 troops on the ground."

[Nephythys]

I guess you buy the media and the spin that best fits your appetite.

I know I would not trust the left with protecting this country.

It's not about wanting a change- it's about trust. It's about a party that shows disdain or open hostility for the military, America, Christians.....

Meh-

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

I guess you buy the media and the spin that best fits your appetite.

I know I would not trust the left with protecting this country.

It's not about wanting a change- it's about trust. It's about a party that shows disdain or open hostility for the military, America, Christians.....

Meh-

My... that's a mighty big brush you're painting with, nephy. Care to back up that outrageous accusation with some facts?

Silly me... I should know better than to ask you for that.

Most Democrats respect and honor the men and women who serve in the military. So much so, in fact, that they are doing their best to bring them home from Iraq – a place they should never have been sent in the first place. Republicans love the military? What about the veteran’s benefits the Republican lead Congress and the Republican President cut? What about the callous disregard with which the Republican administration sent them off to die in the thousands just so the Republican President can get off on being a “War President”.

Democrats hate America??? Where do you get that sh*t??? Just because Democrats don’t agree with you and Bush and the way things are headed in this country, you say they hate America? How arrogant! Yes, millions of Democrats (and independents, and even Republicans too) are fighting to turn this country around, and head it in the right direction – a direction away from heedless aggression, despotism, economic collapse, and the shredding of the Constitution. They must really hate America to want too see it made better, freer, stronger.

Democrats hate Christians? That must be news to the millions of Christian Democrats. They must be self-hating Christians. Thanks for letting them know.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

It's about a party that shows disdain or open hostility for the military, America, Christians.....

Certainly you should have no problem providing a cite that shows the democratic party showing disdain or open hostility towards Christians, the military, or americans. Not a cite that shows someone who considers themselves a democrat saying it but a statement or evidence that the Democratic party is anti-Christian, anti american, or anti-military.

I know that this is what the religious right would like voters to believe but I would like to see it backed up with something more than blind accusations. Seriously, just because Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, and Rush say it is true doesn't mean that it is.

[Gn2Dlnd]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

It's about a party that shows disdain or open hostility for the military, America, Christians.....

As opposed to a "grand ol' " party that shows disdain and open hostility to the citizenry?

As for the military, they'll do just fine once they have leaders who don't disregard their safety.

America? Do you mean all of it, or an aspect of it? I'm unaware of any politicians in or running for office who think we should disband the country. I'll bet you're talking about border control, aren't you?

Christians? Please. They're (you're?) doing fine. They'll pray good ol' Rev. Haggard up some het'rosexuality and a cure from crystal meth (how I'd love to be a fly on that wall), Christmas and Easter will survive, and, hopefully, they'll take their ridiculous anti-science notions home and pray to Jesus to shut their mouths, 'cause they sure love to broadcast their ignorance. Any Christians reading this who don't behave this way need to get on the phone or write a letter, because these morons aren't doing you any good.