"Liberal Queer" - Page 2

SacTown Chronic · 02-15-2005, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by wendybeth

And lets not forget "selfishly hedonistic".

That's been my sexual style for years. I have no regrets.

But dammit, it burns!

Scrooge McSam · 02-15-2005, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

He is no homophobe and does not hate homosexuals - he thinks homosexual acts are sinful.

Awww Keyes is just a cutesy wutesy cuddly bear is what he is. He can call me a selfish hedonist any ole time he wants to.

*Scrooge gives Scaeagles a big ole kiss on the cheek. He hates that, ya know... the whole hate the sin, love the sinner thing... but he loves me so it's alright*

Motorboat Cruiser · 02-15-2005, 09:04 PM

I can't imagine ever telling my child: "Who you are attracted to, through no fault of your own, makes you morally repugnant. We love you but don't want you to ever experience the feeling of being with someone who you care deeply about. Oh, and we are actively doing everything we can to limit your rights constitutionally to ensure that if you do get into a relationship like that, you will never be able to have the same legal protections that your mother and I do."

Ghoulish Delight · 02-15-2005, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

So I would offer that his relationship with his daughter shows exactly the opposite of what many may suspect of Keyes. He is no homophobe and does not hate homosexuals - he thinks homosexual acts are sinful.

Yeah, I'm sure many of his best friends are gays.

Gemini Cricket · 02-15-2005, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

I can't imagine ever telling my child: "Who you are attracted to, through no fault of your own, makes you morally repugnant. We love you but don't want you to ever experience the feeling of being with someone who you care deeply about. Oh, and we are actively doing everything we can to limit your rights constitutionally to ensure that if you do get into a relationship like that, you will never be able to have the same legal protections that your mother and I do."

I've got nothing more to add to this thread but to repeat this awesome quote.

Ghoulish Delight · 02-16-2005, 12:01 AM

Okay, to be fair, there's an angle here I can understand.

Let's say you're a parent. Your child is a thief. Not just been caught shoplifting once beause a friend dared them, but a truly habitual thief. A compulsive robber. Such a thing exists, habitual criminals that are addicted to it just as someone can be addicted to gambling. There are laws against it, you consider it a deplorable act, but they can't help themselves. It's just part of their psyche, who they are. Do you still love them? Do you still not respect their actions?

Now, I in know way compare theft and homosexuality. However, this is where these parents are coming from. They DO believe homosexuality is wrong, just as you would believe theft is wrong. But just because your child does something wrong doesn't mean you don't love them, nor does it mean you don't still think the act is wrong. So while I disagree with the conclusion that the act is wrong, can you at least understand how the seemingly contradictary statements of, "I don't support your actions, and think they should be illegal, but I still love you," isn't as outlandish as it seems?

Not Afraid · 02-16-2005, 12:08 AM

No, the issue here is the parents wrongly confusing their believe that theivery is wrong with something that is purely natural and good as wrong.

Ghoulish Delight · 02-16-2005, 02:02 AM

Again, I don't disagree that their conclusion that homosexuality is incorrect. But, the attitude of, "I dislike what you do, but still love you," is neither unheard of, nor misguided.

scaeagles · 02-16-2005, 06:26 AM

Well said, GD.

Scrooge McSam · 02-16-2005, 07:59 AM

K then

The bible says eating shellfish is an abomination. Let's say a set of parents truly believes this and forbids their kids to eat same.

Let's also say these parents feel so strongly about this that they're trying to pass laws to prevent everyone from eating shellfish.

This has ceased to be a parent or set of parents trying to guide their children to a better life. It has now become a set of know it all busybodies trying to decide how everyone else lives their life.

Misguided

02-15-2005, 09:04 PM	#13
Motorboat Cruiser Cruiser of Motorboats Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: So Cal Posts: 3,665	I can't imagine ever telling my child: "Who you are attracted to, through no fault of your own, makes you morally repugnant. We love you but don't want you to ever experience the feeling of being with someone who you care deeply about. Oh, and we are actively doing everything we can to limit your rights constitutionally to ensure that if you do get into a relationship like that, you will never be able to have the same legal protections that your mother and I do."
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02-16-2005, 12:01 AM	#16
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Okay, to be fair, there's an angle here I can understand. Let's say you're a parent. Your child is a thief. Not just been caught shoplifting once beause a friend dared them, but a truly habitual thief. A compulsive robber. Such a thing exists, habitual criminals that are addicted to it just as someone can be addicted to gambling. There are laws against it, you consider it a deplorable act, but they can't help themselves. It's just part of their psyche, who they are. Do you still love them? Do you still not respect their actions? Now, I in know way compare theft and homosexuality. However, this is where these parents are coming from. They DO believe homosexuality is wrong, just as you would believe theft is wrong. But just because your child does something wrong doesn't mean you don't love them, nor does it mean you don't still think the act is wrong. So while I disagree with the conclusion that the act is wrong, can you at least understand how the seemingly contradictary statements of, "I don't support your actions, and think they should be illegal, but I still love you," isn't as outlandish as it seems? __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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02-16-2005, 12:08 AM	#17
Not Afraid HI! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 17,108	No, the issue here is the parents wrongly confusing their believe that theivery is wrong with something that is purely natural and good as wrong.
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02-16-2005, 02:02 AM	#18
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Again, I don't disagree that their conclusion that homosexuality is incorrect. But, the attitude of, "I dislike what you do, but still love you," is neither unheard of, nor misguided. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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02-16-2005, 06:26 AM	#19
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Well said, GD.
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02-16-2005, 07:59 AM	#20
Scrooge McSam What? Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,635	K then The bible says eating shellfish is an abomination. Let's say a set of parents truly believes this and forbids their kids to eat same. Let's also say these parents feel so strongly about this that they're trying to pass laws to prevent everyone from eating shellfish. This has ceased to be a parent or set of parents trying to guide their children to a better life. It has now become a set of know it all busybodies trying to decide how everyone else lives their life. Misguided
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