What do all you CA drivers think of this plan?

[mhrc4]

Originally Posted by Betty

Put a GPS on everyone's car?! Psh! NOT! It's none of anyone's business where I go and what I do. The privacy invasion is unreal.

thats what i was thinking, lord knows the liberals will be crying over this if it ever comes close to fruitition

[wendybeth]

Originally Posted by mhrc4

thats what i was thinking, lord knows the liberals will be crying over this if it ever comes close to fruitition

And the conservatives will be, too. Only they will be upset at the monetary angle...

[MerryPrankster]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

And the conservatives will be, too. Only they will be upset at the monetary angle...

And the moderates will be upset about every angle.

The whole thing sounds absolutely ridiculous to me. I don't know...I would expect to see people rioting in the streets over this.

[mhrc4]

im with both of you, i dont think itll ever go anywhere, itll make too many people upset....

[Scrooge McSam]

Makes me wonder who came up with this... just not enough to look it up.

And the key quote for me...

not to mention a disincentive to buy fuel-efficient cars.

[Darkbeer]

^That is the problem, as folks have switched to more fuel efficient vehicles, the amount of the gas tax has gone down... and the government doesn't like it...

The new system actually shifts taxes away from the gas guzzlers such as SUV's, and places more of the burden on the fuel efficient cars, including the hybrids and electric cars, since you will be paying per mile, instead of per tank.

It is stupid, what government needs to do is actually spend the money collected on the gas tax on transportation, instead of switching it to the general fund to pay for other government programs.

Gas Tax, DMV registration and license fees should go straight to the Transportation budget (and pay for the DMV). Let the state and local governments take the regular sales tax charged on gasoline for the general budget.

If this happened, we would NOT need this silly new proposal....

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by Darkbeer

The new system actually shifts taxes away from the gas guzzlers such as SUV's, and places more of the burden on the fuel efficient cars, including the hybrids and electric cars, since you will be paying per mile, instead of per tank.

I don't follow you on that one. This would seem to be a flat tax. If you drive 1,000 miles in your SUV or 1,000 miles in your hybrid you pay the same tax. How is that placing more of a burden on hybrids?

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Moonliner

I don't follow you on that one. This would seem to be a flat tax. If you drive 1,000 miles in your SUV or 1,000 miles in your hybrid you pay the same tax. How is that placing more of a burden on hybrids?

But look at it from a gas use perspective. "Mileage" isn't a commodity. Gas is. So an SUV driver who uses more gas per mile will be paying less tax per gallon. That will be a dramatic shift in the tax burden.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

God damn those bastards. Every time a program of theirs works, they find new ways to tax us.

In the 70s they pushed programs to force car companies to make more fuel efficient cars. They don't make the money they did in the 70's because the program WORKED. So they add taxes.

They should burn in hell for stealing from citizens, and using an ecological front to do it. Where's Ragnar Danneskjold when you need him?

[Darkbeer]

Originally Posted by Moonliner

I don't follow you on that one. This would seem to be a flat tax. If you drive 1,000 miles in your SUV or 1,000 miles in your hybrid you pay the same tax. How is that placing more of a burden on hybrids?

Ok, we have a SUV that gets 10 miles to a gallon, and a Hybrid that gets 50 miles to a gallon (rounded for math sake)...

Let's look at the current taxes..

http://www.energy.ca.gov/gasoline/st...tate_2002.html

I am going to make this easy and round the 50.4 cents to 50 cents (out of which the state gets 32 cents), plus of course sales tax...

Each vehicle goes 1,000 miles....

The SUV would need to buy 100 gallons to go 1,000 miles, which would create $50 in tax revenue. (plus sales tax)

The Hybrid would need to buy 20 gallons, which would create $10 in tax revenue. (plus sales tax).

So right now, in this example, an SUV pays 5 times the amount of road tax as does the Hybrid.

The new proposal removes the gas tax, and replaces it with a "per mile" tax, let's say 5 cents a mile...

Now BOTH the SUV and the Hybrid pay $50 per 1,000 miles, a $40 increase to the Hybrid driver, while the SUV driver pays the same amount (of course, prior to the Peak hour extra tax)..... (Remember, this program is designed to increase tax revenues...

Basically the government would be making a lot more money, Hybrids will be paying a lot more, those who drive fuel efficient cars such as most compact and Mid-size cars (about 25 to 30 mpg), their tax goes up about 3 times....

Basically this proposal shifts the tax back to those folks who have been doing the things the government wants, which is to cut polution and gasoline usage...

Just plain DUMB!!!!!!