The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 186

Gemini Cricket · 11-10-2006, 11:28 AM

If he is gay and he's promoting anti-gay legislation... if that's not self-hate, I don't know what is. And I do know self-hate when I see it.

Nephythys · 11-10-2006, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

If he is gay and he's promoting anti-gay legislation... if that's not self-hate, I don't know what is. And I do know self-hate when I see it.

I am not going to argue your personal experience by any means.

Before even asking another question- what are you considering when you talk about "anti-gay" legislation?

Gemini Cricket · 11-10-2006, 11:45 AM

Marriage quality, for one.

Nephythys · 11-10-2006, 11:48 AM

So if a gay person does not want gay marriage that makes them anti-gay and self hating?

So I wonder- it just seems like throwing people out who don't happen to get on board a certain issue. No individual thought, just a group think mentality that moves as one- otherwise is tossed as anti-gay or self hating?

Gemini Cricket · 11-10-2006, 12:09 PM

He works closely with the Feds and knows the numerous benefits of a Federally sanctioned union. Yet works against it. I'd say it was self-hating. I also think that staying in the closet is lying to yourself and others. If you're willing to do that to keep your comfy job, then your priorities are off. I'm speaking for myself and how I think. It's like a black man being in the klan. Makes no sense.
If he were out and was anti-marriage it would be a different thing. Fine don't get married, don't work towards it, but avidly work against it? That's messed up, too.

Nephythys · 11-10-2006, 12:25 PM

ok- another question.

The idea is to have being gay not be a big deal- as in accepted, equal. Right?

So what is with the "outing" of so called gay republicans?

The message is- "being gay is bad- you're a party of bigots- so you should reject so and so"

which seems to go directly against the idea that it should be accepted.

Just seems like a plan that would bite someone in the end. Especially because it seems to rely on some sort of institutionalized hatred which frankly I don't see.

Nephythys · 11-10-2006, 12:34 PM

I'm not even going to bother linking to the individual links-

Drudge Report- Germany is going to prosecute Rumsfeld

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Yes, yes, I know, there's a big siren up at Drudge over Time magazine's exclusive on a lawsuit being filed against Don Rumsfeld over "prison abuse."

The German government isn't filing the lawsuit. It's 11 Iraqis and a Saudi who went court-shopping and filed in Germany because the country "provides 'universal jurisdiction' allowing for the prosecution of war crimes and related offenses that take place anywhere in the world." A previous lawsuit was filed on similar grounds and was dismissed. Yes, Germany has its share of weasels. But German Chancellor Angela Merkel isn't one of them and outrage at the country is premature. Calls to close our bases in Germany over this hyped news story are, with all due respect, silly.

The lawsuit hasn't even been filed yet. The Time blurb is a Friday afternoon freebie press release for the left-wing Center for Constitutional Rights--milking Rumsfeld's resignation for all the publicity they can get.

Gn2Dlnd · 11-10-2006, 12:40 PM

My honest answer, offered with no defensiveness on my part, is, if a Gay person, closeted or not, supports the work of an organization working against Gay equality, that person should be exposed as a hypocrite.

"Being Gay is bad" is not the message. The message is, "Being a hypocrite is bad," and, "Being against civil rights is bad."

Nephythys · 11-10-2006, 12:46 PM

Thank you for giving another view of it.

Nephythys · 11-10-2006, 01:23 PM

The comments on Mehlman made me curious-

Biography

So much for no denial.

11-10-2006, 11:28 AM	#1851
Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	If he is gay and he's promoting anti-gay legislation... if that's not self-hate, I don't know what is. And I do know self-hate when I see it.
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11-10-2006, 11:45 AM	#1853
Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	Marriage quality, for one.
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11-10-2006, 11:48 AM	#1854
Nephythys Yeah, that's about it- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In a state of constant crap to get done Posts: 2,688	So if a gay person does not want gay marriage that makes them anti-gay and self hating? So I wonder- it just seems like throwing people out who don't happen to get on board a certain issue. No individual thought, just a group think mentality that moves as one- otherwise is tossed as anti-gay or self hating?
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11-10-2006, 12:09 PM	#1855
Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	He works closely with the Feds and knows the numerous benefits of a Federally sanctioned union. Yet works against it. I'd say it was self-hating. I also think that staying in the closet is lying to yourself and others. If you're willing to do that to keep your comfy job, then your priorities are off. I'm speaking for myself and how I think. It's like a black man being in the klan. Makes no sense. If he were out and was anti-marriage it would be a different thing. Fine don't get married, don't work towards it, but avidly work against it? That's messed up, too.
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11-10-2006, 12:25 PM	#1856
Nephythys Yeah, that's about it- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In a state of constant crap to get done Posts: 2,688	ok- another question. The idea is to have being gay not be a big deal- as in accepted, equal. Right? So what is with the "outing" of so called gay republicans? The message is- "being gay is bad- you're a party of bigots- so you should reject so and so" which seems to go directly against the idea that it should be accepted. Just seems like a plan that would bite someone in the end. Especially because it seems to rely on some sort of institutionalized hatred which frankly I don't see.
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11-10-2006, 12:40 PM	#1858
Gn2Dlnd Parmmadore Jim Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Casita del Queso Posts: 3,810	My honest answer, offered with no defensiveness on my part, is, if a Gay person, closeted or not, supports the work of an organization working against Gay equality, that person should be exposed as a hypocrite. "Being Gay is bad" is not the message. The message is, "Being a hypocrite is bad," and, "Being against civil rights is bad." __________________ Does anyone still wear a hat?
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11-10-2006, 12:46 PM	#1859
Nephythys Yeah, that's about it- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In a state of constant crap to get done Posts: 2,688	Thank you for giving another view of it.
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11-10-2006, 01:23 PM	#1860
Nephythys Yeah, that's about it- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In a state of constant crap to get done Posts: 2,688	The comments on Mehlman made me curious- Biography So much for no denial.
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