The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 189

Snowflake · 11-11-2006, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Nephythys

ah-

To be clear- I don't get why people are opposed to it- because I don't see what difference it really makes.

Thank you, that clears it up.

Alex · 11-11-2006, 11:35 AM

It has been a very busy week for me, so other than knowing the broad strokes I haven't really watched the news since last Friday.

So it pleases me to read of this local (but nationally important) outcome:

ID takes a drubbing

What is really cool about it is that Ohio will now be able to trick Iowa into whitewashing its fences.

Nephythys · 11-13-2006, 08:41 AM

well - that did not take long

- and I doubt it will be that simple.

innerSpaceman · 11-13-2006, 09:24 AM

Well, being that hawk Republican McCain and hawk Independant-Democrat Lieberman were on Meet the Press this weekend insisting the only alternatives were a) leave completely, admitting defeat and allowing likely chaos (er, bigger chaos) or b) institute a massive build-up of troops and aim for victory. They each acknowledged they would push for plan b, but that the electorate seemed clear in desiring plan a.

While I'm not one for governing by popular opinion, I believe that ignoring the expressed popular opinion of voting - which is how the message is supposed to get through to government - is an abdication of responsibility to govern democratically (and, in this case, in the most vital area of governing).

I don't think officials should necessarily sacrifice their personal good judgment to the will of the people, and I respect McCain and Lieberman for sticking to their guns. But the people have clearly spoken, and it's quite right for politicians whose judgment does not conflict with the will of the people to govern according to the will of the people.

I know it won't happen this way, but the only thing better than our getting out of Iraq within four months would be getting out in three.

Strangler Lewis · 11-13-2006, 10:01 AM

I don't agree. I believe the knee jerk will of the people should generally be disregarded, just as I would hope my mechanic would disregard my will that my car should fly. Supermarket surveys generally show that most people would unknowingly repeal the Bill of Rights. Further, I don't think this election was a vote for chaos. I think it was an angry reaction to being lied to up and down the line.

Not Afraid · 11-13-2006, 06:03 PM

Giuliani in '08?

Hmmmm, that's sort of a nice thought.

Nephythys · 11-13-2006, 06:08 PM

Damn sight better than McCain.

Strangler Lewis · 11-13-2006, 06:13 PM

Aw, hell. Let's repeal the two term limit and the prohibition against foreign born presidents. Let Bill run against Arnold. Have one of the debates be devoted solely to sex. Maybe two.

wendybeth · 11-13-2006, 06:13 PM

I thik he's probably one of the more viable candidates- he could probably attract a lot of Dems with his stance on some of the larger issues.

Not Afraid · 11-13-2006, 06:22 PM

Didn't he recently have cancer? That would scare away some votes.

11-11-2006, 11:35 AM	#1882
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	It has been a very busy week for me, so other than knowing the broad strokes I haven't really watched the news since last Friday. So it pleases me to read of this local (but nationally important) outcome: ID takes a drubbing What is really cool about it is that Ohio will now be able to trick Iowa into whitewashing its fences.
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11-13-2006, 08:41 AM	#1883
Nephythys Yeah, that's about it- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In a state of constant crap to get done Posts: 2,688	well - that did not take long - and I doubt it will be that simple.
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11-13-2006, 09:24 AM	#1884
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Well, being that hawk Republican McCain and hawk Independant-Democrat Lieberman were on Meet the Press this weekend insisting the only alternatives were a) leave completely, admitting defeat and allowing likely chaos (er, bigger chaos) or b) institute a massive build-up of troops and aim for victory. They each acknowledged they would push for plan b, but that the electorate seemed clear in desiring plan a. While I'm not one for governing by popular opinion, I believe that ignoring the expressed popular opinion of voting - which is how the message is supposed to get through to government - is an abdication of responsibility to govern democratically (and, in this case, in the most vital area of governing). I don't think officials should necessarily sacrifice their personal good judgment to the will of the people, and I respect McCain and Lieberman for sticking to their guns. But the people have clearly spoken, and it's quite right for politicians whose judgment does not conflict with the will of the people to govern according to the will of the people. I know it won't happen this way, but the only thing better than our getting out of Iraq within four months would be getting out in three.
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11-13-2006, 10:01 AM	#1885
Strangler Lewis Doing The Job Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In a state Posts: 3,956	I don't agree. I believe the knee jerk will of the people should generally be disregarded, just as I would hope my mechanic would disregard my will that my car should fly. Supermarket surveys generally show that most people would unknowingly repeal the Bill of Rights. Further, I don't think this election was a vote for chaos. I think it was an angry reaction to being lied to up and down the line. __________________ Live now-pay later. Diner's Club!
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11-13-2006, 06:03 PM	#1886
Not Afraid HI! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 17,108	Giuliani in '08? Hmmmm, that's sort of a nice thought.
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11-13-2006, 06:08 PM	#1887
Nephythys Yeah, that's about it- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In a state of constant crap to get done Posts: 2,688	Damn sight better than McCain.
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11-13-2006, 06:13 PM	#1888
Strangler Lewis Doing The Job Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In a state Posts: 3,956	Aw, hell. Let's repeal the two term limit and the prohibition against foreign born presidents. Let Bill run against Arnold. Have one of the debates be devoted solely to sex. Maybe two. __________________ Live now-pay later. Diner's Club!
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11-13-2006, 06:13 PM	#1889
wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	I thik he's probably one of the more viable candidates- he could probably attract a lot of Dems with his stance on some of the larger issues. __________________
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11-13-2006, 06:22 PM	#1890
Not Afraid HI! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 17,108	Didn't he recently have cancer? That would scare away some votes.
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