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Old 11-16-2006, 02:58 PM   #11
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Poor guy was probably just sick of people looking at his ID and butchering his last name.
Yeah,they might use the same picture from the DMV.
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Old 11-16-2006, 07:38 PM   #12
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This is REALLY disturbing to me...the police overacted way too much. My friends at UCLA are really disturbed by this, as well.

In the video, one of the students requesting an ID number is told that if he doesn't leave he would "get tased too"...

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During the altercation between Tabatabainejad and the officers, bystanders can be heard in the video repeatedly asking the officers to stop and requesting their names and identification numbers. The video showed one officer responding to a student by threatening that the student would "get Tased too." At this point, the officer was still holding a Taser.

Such a threat of the use of force by a law enforcement officer in response to a request for a badge number is an "illegal assault," Eliasberg said.
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Old 11-16-2006, 07:42 PM   #13
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How much physical evidence is left when someone gets "tased"? If officers use undue force by whacking someone with a nightstick repeatedly, there is presumeably bruising, bleeding, and related evidence. Is tasing seen as an action without repercussion, even if it was clearly unwarranted? In other words, is there no real penalty for poor judgment such that it's just as easy to tase first and ask questions later?
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This is REALLY disturbing to me...the police overacted way too much. My friends at UCLA are really disturbed by this, as well.

In the video, one of the students requesting an ID number is told that if he doesn't leave he would "get tased too"...



Yes, but it is illegal to interfere with a police officer and I think a good case can be made that's what the student questioning the officer (who was just a bystander) was doing.
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Yes, but it is illegal to interfere with a police officer and I think a good case can be made that's what the student questioning the officer (who was just a bystander) was doing.
If the police officer is standing around (which is what he was doing, keeping the crowd back), it is perfectly legal to demand his badge number and name. The student made no effort to interfere with his duty. The cop could have ignored him, but instead threatened to taser him.
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Old 11-16-2006, 08:27 PM   #16
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How much physical evidence is left when someone gets "tased"? If officers use undue force by whacking someone with a nightstick repeatedly, there is presumeably bruising, bleeding, and related evidence. Is tasing seen as an action without repercussion, even if it was clearly unwarranted? In other words, is there no real penalty for poor judgment such that it's just as easy to tase first and ask questions later?
I'd rather they "tase" than whack someone anyday. From what I heard on the radio today, tasing just stuns them for a short period and the pain is temporaty.

Plus listening to some of the reaction, I wonder if this guy was Irish or another nationality, would the reactions be the same?
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I'd rather they "tase" than whack someone anyday. From what I heard on the radio today, tasing just stuns them for a short period and the pain is temporaty.

Plus listening to some of the reaction, I wonder if this guy was Irish or another nationality, would the reactions be the same?
Unless, of course, they have a pacemaker or dozens of other medical issues, in which case a Taser is lethal.

Did I mention that before they tased him, he screamed out he had a medical issue? Even if he was lying, tasing him after he stated that the Taser could be lethal to him is just the same as shooting him with a gun.
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All I can say is thank god for YouTube. It's not made the L.A.P.D.'s month. Earlier this week, they were caught pepper-spraying a handcuffed suspect in the face because he was mouthing-off, but not aggressive in any way. Earlier in the month, they are shown punching a cuffed and prone suspect in the face multiple times. That one happened last summer, but the suspects attorney released it now because the D.A. is stonewalling on a deal.

I'm glad so many people have video capabilities on their cell-phones, which is how most of these things are captured ... and YouTube allows them to be on the internet and get world-wide attention.

It has come to this with police brutality -- we all need to keep video cameras on our persons at all times.


But this has been 3 quick strikes for the L.A.P.D. (it was not campus security, but UCLA-assigned police who did the tasering) ... and even though there's been no guns involved in these incidents, it sure looks like they're shooting themselves in the foot.
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Old 11-16-2006, 09:35 PM   #19
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I'd rather they "tase" than whack someone anyday. From what I heard on the radio today, tasing just stuns them for a short period and the pain is temporaty.
That is precisely the attitude I was concerned about. There's this idea that tasing is essentially harmless so it just doesn't matter.
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That is precisely the attitude I was concerned about. There's this idea that tasing is essentially harmless so it just doesn't matter.
Well, I"m not saying everyone should go out and get one and start taizing everyone. If it's them or you and Law Inforcement is involved, I'd rather have someone knocked to ground than beaten to a pulp. In actuality I'd rather have the idiot who was smug enough to NOT show his ID or leave when he was asked to, to comply like everyone else is expected to. When will that end? You get pulled over and the cops ask for your Drivers Licences and you refuse? If I was the Cop or SEcurity Guard I'd rather have the guy dropped, then either someone killed, shot or if the person has other motives, myself blown up. So in a perfect world all would be well.

That said, I'm not excusing the % of the cops that do this for sport or unjustified. From what I read, I'd rather have the guy tazed, take outside, rather than anything the guy "Might" have been doing in a closed area. What if this had been an area of an airport? Or a library at the local Jr.High.

I"M not excusing the problem, just simply saying it's a bit broader than just some moron not "showing his ID."
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