If a conservative had said it- they would demand his head

scaeagles · 02-17-2005, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

Speaking of which, in his State of the Union address, Bush assured that he would not raise payroll taxes. Now, a mere few weeks later, he has said that he is open to removing the cap on social security, or in other words, a raise in payroll tax.

Actually, he said he hadn't ruled it out. All he's doing is leaving options on the table, and I believe politically he is attempting to back dems into a corner by having them suggest it during formal negotiations regarding social security reform. He will not raise the taxes. If he does, feel free to quote me on it.

Scrooge McSam · 02-17-2005, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

he is attempting to back dems into a corner by having them suggest it during formal negotiations.

Bingo! Give that man a stuffed elephant!

I doubt very much though it's actually George doing the thinking here.

Motorboat Cruiser · 02-17-2005, 04:47 PM

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Bingo! Give that man a stuffed elephant!

He prefers appliances.

BTW, concerning the OP (which I didn't address earlier), I think it was a stupid thing to say.

scaeagles · 02-17-2005, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

He prefers appliances.

BTW, concerning the OP (which I didn't address earlier), I think it was a stupid thing to say.

Most certainly prefer appliances, yes.

Yeah, you liberal derailer - we're talking about the head of the DNC being a racist, not social security.

Not Afraid · 02-17-2005, 05:01 PM

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Yeah, you liberal derailer - we're talking about the head of the DNC being a racist, not social security.

I just thought he was being wry and funny!

scaeagles · 02-17-2005, 05:09 PM

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I just thought he was being wry and funny!

Actually, I agree with you 100%. The difference is that should a Republican have said it, which is the subject of the OP, the dems would be calling for his head because of the implication in what he said.

I am fully willing to say that I do not believe Dean to be a racist. However, there are such double standards in the area it amazes me. For example, Trent Lott can praise Strom Thurmond at a party in Thrumond's honor and be categorized as a racist who wants segregation, but Chris Dodd can praise Robert Byrd, a former leader in the KKK, and receive no such condemnation.

I am certain that if a republican said it, it would be a huge media story splashed all over the front pages of newspapers everywhere and be the lead story on the nightly news of the big three, and the thrust of the stories would be to have the individual resign his post and to reign condemnation on the republican party for promoting to leadership someone who thinks this way.

Not Afraid · 02-17-2005, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

Actually, I agree with you 100%. The difference is that should a Republican have said it, which is the subject of the OP, the dems would be calling for his head because of the implication in what he said.

A Republican wouldn't have said it. You can't compare apples and oranges of these two parties. Certain parties have certain "reputations" that make for great fodder for jokes. What would be funny said about a republican would fall flat being said about a Dem and vice-versa,

Scrooge McSam · 02-17-2005, 05:14 PM

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I think it was a stupid thing to say.

Totally! In these times, I guess you do have to express EXACTLY how you feel about this kind of stuff, lest you get lumped into some pidgeonhole you don't fit.

Truth is I "could" have said the same thing just based on the few years I spent working hotels, restaurants and a cruise ship. Most of the staff was black or hispanic. That's just the way it was. But that was 20 some years ago and things may have changed. I don't know. But I don't think I WOULD have said it.

And I'm not a politician; someone who has to speak to all peoples' concerns all the time. I'd expect a politician to exhibit a little more polish.

So, yeah, I'm disappointed he said it. I had to stop and shake my head. Do I think it approaches what Lott said a few months back? No, not for me. But, that has more to do with my opinion of Thurmond.