Not too early is it? 2008 Presidential fun - Page 2

Cadaverous Pallor · 01-23-2007, 08:53 AM

I get all my political knowledge from SNL.

They absolutely ripped apart Hillary last weekend. Seeing New York liberals say she has no principles of her own, and that she only does what polls tell her, was very intriguing indeed. I'd never vote for her anyway, but it's beginning to sound like the dems won't even try it.

After watching the sketch I realized that we are now in for nearly 2 years of campaigning. Ugh. I swear, it's like Xmas, getting longer and longer each time. There should be laws...

Alex · 01-23-2007, 10:38 AM

Hillary is actually one of the few prominent Democrats to stand by her position on Iraq. I respect her for that quite a bit.

Nobody seems to be bringing it up. But remember when people questioned Bill Clinton about whether the first lady was too involved in policy? It seems to me that issue is only magnified 1000x if the "first lady" is a former president. I also wonder if those on the left who criticized Bush simply for being a "dynasty presidency" will have similar qualms about Hillary (and if the the people on the right who didn't care about a dynasty presidency will resist having issue issue with it now).

I'm not really bothered by Obama's lack of experience. I don't think it is a job that really has much in the way of "ramp up" training (except maybe being a governor) and being a senator certainly doesn't provide any training except in the realm of political gamesmanship.

As far as whatever connection he has with Islam, the simple response to that is "I am not a Muslim, but with our current global situation doesn't it seem like a positive to have a president that knows something about it?"

I respect Guiliani but think he'd be a horrible president. I don't respect McCain but he might be decent at it (though I am unlikely to vote for him).

3894 · 01-23-2007, 10:54 AM

Hillary - too polarizing. Well said, scaeagles. She's also from the Northeast and the last two Dem presidential candidates from the Northeast didn't do well.

Edwards plays well in the Midwest. An Edwards/Obama ticket would be intriguing.

wendybeth · 01-23-2007, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

Hillary is actually one of the few prominent Democrats to stand by her position on Iraq. I respect her for that quite a bit.

Nobody seems to be bringing it up. But remember when people questioned Bill Clinton about whether the first lady was too involved in policy? It seems to me that issue is only magnified 1000x if the "first lady" is a former president. I also wonder if those on the left who criticized Bush simply for being a "dynasty presidency" will have similar qualms about Hillary (and if the the people on the right who didn't care about a dynasty presidency will resist having issue issue with it now).

I'm not really bothered by Obama's lack of experience. I don't think it is a job that really has much in the way of "ramp up" training (except maybe being a governor) and being a senator certainly doesn't provide any training except in the realm of political gamesmanship.

As far as whatever connection he has with Islam, the simple response to that is "I am not a Muslim, but with our current global situation doesn't it seem like a positive to have a president that knows something about it?"

I respect Guiliani but think he'd be a horrible president. I don't respect McCain but he might be decent at it (though I am unlikely to vote for him).

Nail on the head with this post, all the way around. Thus far, I like Obama. His relative inexperience actually makes me want to vote for him- he's not entrenched, doesn't see this as his rightful due (or 'turn', as with the Bush family) and he has unique life experiences that are very relevant in today's world. Hillary would be fun, if only to let Scaeagles know how I felt when Dubya was elected, but I'm not willing to vote for her merely because I know it would piss Scaeagles off.

Cadaverous Pallor · 01-23-2007, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

Hillary is actually one of the few prominent Democrats to stand by her position on Iraq. I respect her for that quite a bit.

My source being SNL means I have no idea if this is true or not, but they made it seem like Hillary visited Iraq just when Obama said he's running, so that she could come back and say "since I've been there, I've changed my mind on Iraq. We need to get out". The idea being that since Obama is running she has to up her game.

Alex · 01-23-2007, 10:36 PM

I can't say that I have heard much of what she's had to say over the last couple weeks. So I'll just say that until recently she has held her line much more than most of the prominent Dems who voted for the war.

Not Afraid · 01-23-2007, 11:01 AM

Obama is the most intriguing of them all, but I don't think he's got the experience and trust to win it. I actually can't choose one of the Dems to be a strong candidate - stong enough to win an election - and that is the most troubling aspect of the current crop. I do find myself actually liking what Hillary has to say. She's gotten a lot of air time over the past 2 weeks and she's been spot on about a lot of things. Still, I think she's got some big hurdles to overcome.

Strangler Lewis · 01-23-2007, 11:13 AM

Americans vote for the tone they like. Back in 1995 I predicted that Bush, Jr. would be the Republican nominee in 2000 because he was kind of a hot governor and people sort of missed Bush I. The Republican nominee in 2000 will be Mike Huckabee, a thoughtful sounding evangelical. Barring some new attack at home, people will be sick of big stick wielders and foreign policy in general and the nagging suspicion that Bush II and his ilk wanted to commit America to a decades long war to capture the middle east and its oil.

If Huckabee runs, I think he beats Hillary because she's hard to listen to, but I think she beats the adulterer Giuliani, the cruel Brownback, the Mormon Romney and the ancient cancer victim McCain, none of whom are terribly compelling speakers.

If it looks like Huckabee is going to run, Obama probably would be the better candidate. The interesting thing from the Democrat side is whether Gore is waiting in the wings to see if Hillary self destructs. He'd have some explaining to do about 2000, but you can't say he's not experienced.

Moonliner · 01-23-2007, 11:22 AM

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He'd have some explaining to do about 2000.

You mean like how he'd change the voting system so that in the future the winner of the election would actually get the job?

Nephythys · 01-23-2007, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonliner

You mean like how he'd change the voting system so that in the future the winner of the election would actually get the job?

In a nutshell everything that is wrong with the left-

They lose- and claim it was stolen.

Then they spend years going on about it.

We need forward thinkers- who understand why we have an electoral college and laws.

01-23-2007, 08:53 AM	#1
Cadaverous Pallor ohhhh baby Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Parental Bliss Posts: 12,364	I get all my political knowledge from SNL. They absolutely ripped apart Hillary last weekend. Seeing New York liberals say she has no principles of her own, and that she only does what polls tell her, was very intriguing indeed. I'd never vote for her anyway, but it's beginning to sound like the dems won't even try it. After watching the sketch I realized that we are now in for nearly 2 years of campaigning. Ugh. I swear, it's like Xmas, getting longer and longer each time. There should be laws... __________________ The second star to the right shines in the night for you
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01-23-2007, 10:38 AM	#2
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Hillary is actually one of the few prominent Democrats to stand by her position on Iraq. I respect her for that quite a bit. Nobody seems to be bringing it up. But remember when people questioned Bill Clinton about whether the first lady was too involved in policy? It seems to me that issue is only magnified 1000x if the "first lady" is a former president. I also wonder if those on the left who criticized Bush simply for being a "dynasty presidency" will have similar qualms about Hillary (and if the the people on the right who didn't care about a dynasty presidency will resist having issue issue with it now). I'm not really bothered by Obama's lack of experience. I don't think it is a job that really has much in the way of "ramp up" training (except maybe being a governor) and being a senator certainly doesn't provide any training except in the realm of political gamesmanship. As far as whatever connection he has with Islam, the simple response to that is "I am not a Muslim, but with our current global situation doesn't it seem like a positive to have a president that knows something about it?" I respect Guiliani but think he'd be a horrible president. I don't respect McCain but he might be decent at it (though I am unlikely to vote for him).
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01-23-2007, 10:54 AM	#3
3894 Next Stop: Funkytown! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Cheeselandia Posts: 1,907	Hillary - too polarizing. Well said, scaeagles. She's also from the Northeast and the last two Dem presidential candidates from the Northeast didn't do well. Edwards plays well in the Midwest. An Edwards/Obama ticket would be intriguing.
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01-23-2007, 10:36 PM	#6
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I can't say that I have heard much of what she's had to say over the last couple weeks. So I'll just say that until recently she has held her line much more than most of the prominent Dems who voted for the war.
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01-23-2007, 11:01 AM	#7
Not Afraid HI! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 17,108	Obama is the most intriguing of them all, but I don't think he's got the experience and trust to win it. I actually can't choose one of the Dems to be a strong candidate - stong enough to win an election - and that is the most troubling aspect of the current crop. I do find myself actually liking what Hillary has to say. She's gotten a lot of air time over the past 2 weeks and she's been spot on about a lot of things. Still, I think she's got some big hurdles to overcome.
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01-23-2007, 11:13 AM	#8
Strangler Lewis Doing The Job Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In a state Posts: 3,956	Americans vote for the tone they like. Back in 1995 I predicted that Bush, Jr. would be the Republican nominee in 2000 because he was kind of a hot governor and people sort of missed Bush I. The Republican nominee in 2000 will be Mike Huckabee, a thoughtful sounding evangelical. Barring some new attack at home, people will be sick of big stick wielders and foreign policy in general and the nagging suspicion that Bush II and his ilk wanted to commit America to a decades long war to capture the middle east and its oil. If Huckabee runs, I think he beats Hillary because she's hard to listen to, but I think she beats the adulterer Giuliani, the cruel Brownback, the Mormon Romney and the ancient cancer victim McCain, none of whom are terribly compelling speakers. If it looks like Huckabee is going to run, Obama probably would be the better candidate. The interesting thing from the Democrat side is whether Gore is waiting in the wings to see if Hillary self destructs. He'd have some explaining to do about 2000, but you can't say he's not experienced. __________________ Live now-pay later. Diner's Club!
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