Not too early is it? 2008 Presidential fun

[innerSpaceman]

Originally Posted by Bar Top Dancer

taken from iSm because he said it so well...

With the proviso that fetal and zygote Americans aren't Americans at all .... because, when last I checked, you had to be alive to be an American.

As scaeagles points out, everyone's free to vote for the person whose moral convictions they agree with ... but the way I see it, the only moral convictions appropriate to the President of the United States are to defend the Constitution and protect the American people.

Sometimes it's a trade off. Do you take money from some healthy Americans to provide health care to sick ones? But in my examples, there were only benefits to Americans and no harm to any. So those kind of so-called "Christian" morals, I submit, are inappropriate to anyone who takes the presidential oath of office. That oath holds a man to a new morality, if he didn't have it before. Defend the Constitution and protect Americans. Uber freaking alis.



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[Alex]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

But in my examples, there were only benefits to Americans and no harm to any. So those kind of so-called "Christian" morals, I submit, are inappropriate to anyone who takes the presidential oath of office.

The belief that life in the womb is deserving of protection isn't necessarily a Christian one (it is common to many religions and I know several pro-life atheists), and to a large swath of people by allowing abortion you are forcing your morality on a human being (the aborted). The distinction between life worthy of protection and life not worthy of protection is a subjective moral one.

That's why it is a decision best left to our nation's deliberative body and neither the president nor the courts.

Torturing prisoners at Guantanamo also does no harm to any Americans.

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

With the proviso that fetal and zygote Americans aren't Americans at all .... because, when last I checked, you had to be alive to be an American.

Yes. I'm sorry I did not add that proviso and I caught that too late to edit. If you would like to add it since it is your quote I pulled kinda out of context feel free.

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

With the proviso that fetal and zygote Americans aren't Americans at all .... because, when last I checked, you had to be alive to be an American.

I did not realize a unborn baby in the womb was dead.

How simple. Removes all the problems with abortions.

It breathes, it eats (albiet through the mother), it moves, grows and functions-

Gosh- I guess that's not life.

Oxygen- the great equalizer.

I did not realize that air and a 5-6 inch smoosh down the birth canal magically made you human and alive.

[innerSpaceman]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

I did not realize a unborn baby in the womb was dead.

I did not ask if a fetus was dead, Nephythys. I asked if it had been born.

Can you answer that simple question with a yes or no, or are you going to duck the question as inartfully as Mike Huckabee?

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

I did not ask if a fetus was dead, Nephythys. I asked if it had been born.

Can you answer that simple question with a yes or no, or are you going to duck the question as inartfully as Mike Huckabee?

Hardly-

You are ducking your own comment. Read your own quote-feel free to edit or clarify.

You said -"With the proviso that fetal and zygote Americans aren't Americans at all .... because, when last I checked, you had to be alive to be an American."

If it is not alive- it must be dead.

Freel free to roll your eyes- I am doing the same.