President Condi Rice

3894 · 02-15-2007, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

She's sickeningly repulsive as an apologist for this administration's abject failures.

That's where I am with her, too.

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Originally Posted by CP

I think she's very unlikable. Her voice always seems taut, like she's really hung up, or on the edge of punching someone, or something.

In person, she seemed more ladylike than anything else. Almost soft but in the steel magnolia tradition of grandes dames.

Strangler Lewis · 02-15-2007, 10:05 AM

I don't see how she lives down the "my husband" gaffe and all the tabloids suggesting she is breaking up the Bush marriage. Not to mention the flipside accusations of lesbianism.

If a woman is going to earn my vote, she has to be someone who was not having sex with the president. Like Hillary Clinton.

Alex · 02-15-2007, 10:38 AM

Somehow until you mentioned it and I looked it up I had never heard of the "my husband" thing.

And, if she were to come out at a black lesbian woman conservative is there any way she'd not win?

I think it's a given that among those who hold the current administration in total disregard would not vote for Condoleeza Rice, but then they're not likely to vote for any Republican. She doesn't have much cross over appeal (which is the problem I see for Hilary Clinton as well, to those even moderately on the right they're going to vote for almost anybody else before they'll vote for her; same, in reverse or Rice).

But how crippling is her association to the middle and right? That's harder to gauge because they don't think the war is illegal. They don't think there was a lot of intentional lying going on. They simply think the war has been prosecuted poorly and on information that turned out to be wrong.

In modern presidential politics the calculus is more often "who can win" than "who should win" and if the specter of running and old white guy (McCain, for example) against a young charismatic black guy seems to burdensome I can easily imagine Rice's patina mysteriously beginning to shine again.

Of course, there is also the question of whether she wants to be president. I don't think she is so inclined and it would take a pretty strong "Draft Condi" movement to convince her (there is always a pretend "Draft X" movement so that the candidate can say they aren't doing it for personal glory but rather because the populace demands it, but I think hers would have to be more real).

But considering that not of the currently prominent Republican hopefuls are sparking much interest from me, I think she would be an interesting addition.

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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Somehow until you mentioned it and I looked it up I had never heard of the "my husband" thing. And, if she were to come out at a black lesbian woman conservative is there any way she'd not win? I think it's a given that among those who hold the current administration in total disregard would not vote for Condoleeza Rice, but then they're not likely to vote for any Republican. She doesn't have much cross over appeal (which is the problem I see for Hilary Clinton as well, to those even moderately on the right they're going to vote for almost anybody else before they'll vote for her; same, in reverse or Rice). But how crippling is her association to the middle and right? That's harder to gauge because they don't think the war is illegal. They don't think there was a lot of intentional lying going on. They simply think the war has been prosecuted poorly and on information that turned out to be wrong. In modern presidential politics the calculus is more often "who can win" than "who should win" and if the specter of running and old white guy (McCain, for example) against a young charismatic black guy seems to burdensome I can easily imagine Rice's patina mysteriously beginning to shine again. Of course, there is also the question of whether she wants to be president. I don't think she is so inclined and it would take a pretty strong "Draft Condi" movement to convince her (there is always a pretend "Draft X" movement so that the candidate can say they aren't doing it for personal glory but rather because the populace demands it, but I think hers would have to be more real). But considering that not of the currently prominent Republican hopefuls are sparking much interest from me, I think she would be an interesting addition.
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