Amazing Race: All Stars

[Nephythys]

Stealing?

Did Uchenna leave it there for Rob to take? Yeah, I think he did- even if he did not mean to.

Responsibility lies with Uchenna and Joyce- if you don't want someone to pick up that paper, don't leave it there.

Once again- Rob and Amber made use of something that happened to be staring them in the face- so they took it. I find it impossible to believe that any other team would not have made the same choice.

The goal is to win a race- not sainthood or an award for being pious.

[Alex]

The event with the flight attendant wasn't actually shown and the two accounts differed so I don't know what actually happened.

But I wouldn't be surprised if they did somehow steal it and I also wouldn't be surprised if a relatively benign event that was whined into exaggeration.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

Stealing?

Did Uchenna leave it there for Rob to take? Yeah, I think he did- even if he did not mean to.

Responsibility lies with Uchenna and Joyce- if you don't want someone to pick up that paper, don't leave it there.

Are you honestly telling me that taking something that doesn’t belong to you is not stealing if it’s just sitting there?!?! Try telling that to the police! “But officer… the car was just sitting there in the parking lot. Nobody was in it; I thought it was up for grabs!”

Originally Posted by Nephythys

Once again- Rob and Amber made use of something that happened to be staring them in the face- so they took it. I find it impossible to believe that any other team would not have made the same choice.

The goal is to win a race- not sainthood or an award for being pious.

Again… taking something that does not belong to you is theft. It is wrong. Being in a competition does not excuse theft.

I find it very possible to believe that most teams would not steal from other teams. Most people are basically honest.

Yes, the goal is to win, but there have to be rules, and there have to be limits; otherwise you have anarchy. If you allow (or encourage) the stealing of directions, where do you draw the line? Why not steal another teams clue or their passports? Why not injure or kill them? Anything to win, right?

I must be old fashioned, but I believe that winning is meaningless if you lie, cheat, and steal to achieve it. Sportsmanship, fair play, having fun, and knowing how to accept defeat gracefully is far more important than whether you win or lose.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by JWBear

Yes, the goal is to win, but there have to be rules, and there have to be limits; otherwise you have anarchy.

But that's just it. There ARE rules. And if they aren't being penalized, then they haven't broken any rules. If the producers of Amazing Race don't want it happening, they'd put it in the rules. It would be one thing if the teams were disagreeing about what is and isn't within the rules. It's another thing for them to be complaining about something that is clearly within the rules.

I would totally understand if a team were in a situation where Rob and Amber were asking for their help and they said, "Sorry, we don't like the way you play so we're not helping you," (though if it would benefit them as well I'd think it would be a poor choice). But to just complain to them that "it's not fair?" If I wanted to watch people play a game and complain that the rules aren't fair, I'd go watch a game of kickball at the nearest elementary school.

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by JWBear

Are you honestly telling me that taking something that doesn’t belong to you is not stealing if it’s just sitting there?!?! Try telling that to the police! “But officer… the car was just sitting there in the parking lot. Nobody was in it; I thought it was up for grabs!”

A slip of paper with a few scribbled directions is not an item of value like a car is.
Apples to oranges.

As far as we can tell from the show that slip of paper may have been destined for the trash can- so Rob grabbing it makes no difference anyway. Uchenna was laughing about it- excuse me if I do not share your outrage over Rob picking up a piece of scratch paper.

Again… taking something that does not belong to you is theft. It is wrong. Being in a competition does not excuse theft.

I find it very possible to believe that most teams would not steal from other teams. Most people are basically honest.

Again...taking a piece of scratch paper with directions on it is not a grand felony crime. Some perspective please?

I don't believe for a minute that the other teams would not do the same thing if they felt it would help them get ahead.

Yes, the goal is to win, but there have to be rules, and there have to be limits; otherwise you have anarchy. If you allow (or encourage) the stealing of directions, where do you draw the line? Why not steal another teams clue or their passports? Why not injure or kill them? Anything to win, right?

No- but I chalk that up to hyperbole similar to Uchenna's

I must be old fashioned, but I believe that winning is meaningless if you lie, cheat, and steal to achieve it. Sportsmanship, fair play, having fun, and knowing how to accept defeat gracefully is far more important than whether you win or lose.

I do not agree that they stole anything.
Everyone lies- outright or by omission. I have seen other teams lie to each other in this race- it was not just Rob and Amber.

Rob and Amber dealt with their defeat with infinate grace- and appreciation for the blessings in their life. Class act IMO.