Fiery Crash Collapses California Freeway

Alex · 05-01-2007, 09:20 AM

This guy was a local route driver so I imagine he gets normal sleep. KCBS this morning had a most inane segment this morning: "the Maze collapse has raised questions about the state of our infrastructure around the state." And then was a blowjob to some guy advocating more bond measures like were passed last fall.

Regardless of the merits of such bond measures I fail to see how this event raises questions about the state of our infrastructure and how more highway expansion projects would have helped. I'm pretty sure that if you ignite a full tanker trunk underneath just about any stretch of road in this state that you'll experience structural failures.

Strangler, on the other hand if Loma Prieta is an indication they should be able to replace a collapsed segment of road in a month (as they did with the Bay Bridge). Though it took about 11 years to replace the entire Cypress Viaduct.

As of this morning's commute the site is pretty well cleaned up. If it weren't for all the scorch marks that branch of road would just look like another off ramp to nowhere (there are already a couple of those in the maze).

Kevy Baby · 05-01-2007, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

Strangler, on the other hand if Loma Prieta is an indication they should be able to replace a collapsed segment of road in a month (as they did with the Bay Bridge).

And after the 94 Northridge earthquake, they were able to get collapsed overpasses of the I-10 freeway (a VERY busy artery in Southern California) opened within a few weeks.

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Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

As of this morning's commute the site is pretty well cleaned up. If it weren't for all the scorch marks that branch of road would just look like another off ramp to nowhere (there are already a couple of those in the maze).

Have the opened up the lower part - where the collapsed part fell ON to?

Alex · 05-01-2007, 10:22 AM

No, they had to wait until it was cleaned up to get in and start doing structural evaluations. They don't know if the fire weakened that part or not.

Stan4dSteph · 05-01-2007, 10:41 AM

I read a post elsewhere that indicated one of the barriers to quick repair is ability to obtain the required structural steel. Steel is in high demand due in large part to the massive amounts of development in China right now. There are long lead times for orders, so the situation is different now than it was in 1989 for Loma Prieta.

alphabassettgrrl · 05-01-2007, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

Turns out he has two arrests in the '70s and a possession conviction 10 years ago.
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The answer?

The law doesn't prohibit it and he passed all the tests.

Um... so he made some mistakes in the past. The 70's- that was 30 years ago... a lot can change in 30 years. Drug possession was still 10 years ago- that's a long time.

More important I think is that he passed all the tests and presumably they test drivers for drugs once in a while, right? Doing his job is more useful a gauge than what he did in the past. He could have learned better since then.

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Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

I'm pretty sure that if you ignite a full tanker trunk underneath just about any stretch of road in this state that you'll experience structural failures.

That just made me giggle. I can imagine the experiments. And the surprise when you conclude, hey, burning that much fuel under an overpass really does melt things!

Morrigoon · 05-01-2007, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by alphabassettgrrl

Um... so he made some mistakes in the past. The 70's- that was 30 years ago... a lot can change in 30 years. Drug possession was still 10 years ago- that's a long time.

More important I think is that he passed all the tests and presumably they test drivers for drugs once in a while, right? Doing his job is more useful a gauge than what he did in the past. He could have learned better since then.

God, what has our society become? Shall we all be branded with scarlet letters in perpetuity once we've slipped up one time?

You know... the Nazis kept excellent records too...

(oops, little Godwinian slip there)

alphabassettgrrl · 05-01-2007, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Morrigoon

God, what has our society become? Shall we all be branded with scarlet letters in perpetuity once we've slipped up one time?

Only if you mess up again later. This guy was lucky enough that his indiscretions were forgotten and he could have a life. I wonder if he told the truth on his job application though.

Moonliner · 05-01-2007, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Morrigoon

God, what has our society become? Shall we all be branded with scarlet letters in perpetuity once we've slipped up one time?

Doveryay, no proveryay.

I say he deserved the second, third or whatever chance but I'd sure as heck be dragging his butt in for drug and alcohol tests right about now.

Mousey Girl · 05-02-2007, 05:08 AM

David used to be a mechanic for a small division of World Oil, working on tanker trucks. Any time they would get word that they had to drug test someone they would use him, instead of one of the drivers. That way they knew they were testing someone who would pass the test. The company still has a reputation of hiring just about anyone who can get a Class A with Hazmat clearance, no matter what their past is like. A good chunk of their drivers had been fired from other companies for having too many accidents.

Alex · 05-02-2007, 06:55 AM

The truth is out there.

05-01-2007, 09:20 AM	#1
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	This guy was a local route driver so I imagine he gets normal sleep. KCBS this morning had a most inane segment this morning: "the Maze collapse has raised questions about the state of our infrastructure around the state." And then was a blowjob to some guy advocating more bond measures like were passed last fall. Regardless of the merits of such bond measures I fail to see how this event raises questions about the state of our infrastructure and how more highway expansion projects would have helped. I'm pretty sure that if you ignite a full tanker trunk underneath just about any stretch of road in this state that you'll experience structural failures. Strangler, on the other hand if Loma Prieta is an indication they should be able to replace a collapsed segment of road in a month (as they did with the Bay Bridge). Though it took about 11 years to replace the entire Cypress Viaduct. As of this morning's commute the site is pretty well cleaned up. If it weren't for all the scorch marks that branch of road would just look like another off ramp to nowhere (there are already a couple of those in the maze).
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	No, they had to wait until it was cleaned up to get in and start doing structural evaluations. They don't know if the fire weakened that part or not.
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Stan4dSteph Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: East Bay Area, CA Posts: 3,156	I read a post elsewhere that indicated one of the barriers to quick repair is ability to obtain the required structural steel. Steel is in high demand due in large part to the massive amounts of development in China right now. There are long lead times for orders, so the situation is different now than it was in 1989 for Loma Prieta.
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Mousey Girl Just Me Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In The Flagon With The Dragon Posts: 2,437	David used to be a mechanic for a small division of World Oil, working on tanker trucks. Any time they would get word that they had to drug test someone they would use him, instead of one of the drivers. That way they knew they were testing someone who would pass the test. The company still has a reputation of hiring just about anyone who can get a Class A with Hazmat clearance, no matter what their past is like. A good chunk of their drivers had been fired from other companies for having too many accidents.
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