'Dick' Cheney Declares Self King!

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

Powers of the VP are outlined in Article I of the Constitution....not in Article II.

Cheney may have a point and certainly is not obligated to help his enemies by conceding anything he doesn't have to.

Enemies?

"To my knowledge, this was the first time in the nearly 30-year history of the Information Security Oversight Office that a request for access to conduct a security inspection was denied by a White House office," Waxman wrote.

Is the National Archives his enemy??

I don't pretend to understand all the intricacies of this, but the idea that every part of our government has someone else looking at it to make sure everything is legal is pretty damn holy to me. Since 9/11 the White House has been pretending it can do whatever the fvck it wants and that no one should be able to know what's going on - never mind say anything about it. I've been able to ignore it so far, simply to save my own mental state, but this is the last straw.

I am not a democrat, but this kind of bullsht could push me far enough to actually have an opinion on which party has control for the next four years. The idea that anyone could defend such blatant crap, or that any self respecting politician could actually stand behind this White House, is unfathomable to me.

I'm sorry sleepyjeff but this really gets me going.

[Not Afraid]

November 2.

[Strangler Lewis]

"The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors." "Art. II, sec. 4."

"Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two thirds, expel a member." Art. I, sec. 5.

To me, the Vice President is clearly part of the executive. The fact that his only executive duty is to wait for the president to die does not change that. The fact that the Vice President serves as president of the Senate does not make him a member of the Senate any more than the fact that the Chief Justice presides over impeachment trials does.

[wendybeth]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

If I believed in a hell, this man would be candidate number 1. How does he sleep at night? How do any of them live with themselves? All of this abuse of power makes me sick to my stomach, and I'll be so excited when they are out of office and all this crap is in the past.

That is to say, I'm sure that there will be future abuses of power, but I doubt they'll be quite as vomit-worthy as the trespasses we've seen with <gag>Cheney. Who THE FVCK does he THINK HE IS?



I don't say this about very many people, but I'll be sincerely glad when he is dead.

I've said it before: I truly believe this man is evil. I think he is the most corrupt person to ever hold the office he does, and I am amazed at the **** he gets away with. He makes Agnew look like a choirboy.

[Scrooge McSam]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I believe the ruling in that particular case was that nothing illegal was done in reference to Valerie Plame.

Please produce that ruling.

We have one ruling so far in the Plame case. And that is Scooter Libby commited perjury in obstructing the investigation

It is impossible, and may continue to be impossible, to get to the bottom of the investigation if our public servants continue to lie to federal investigators.

[scaeagles]

My bad, Scrooge. You are indeed correct, and I misspoke. I should have more properly said that the nothing has been proven illegal, and if I recall (I haven't the time at present to look into it) the obstruction sharge Libby was convicted of was the only thing that there has been a ruling on. How material the information was he lied about I cannot say, but I think it had something to do with timing?

The investigation has stalled, and I believe is over. Armitage was the leaker. There will always be those that believe there is more there, and I cannot blame anyone for thinking that. In this case, however, I am not one of them.

[JWBear]

The conservatives on this board leap to defend the administration yet again. Why am I not surprised....

[blueerica]

Well, why wouldn't they?

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by blueerica

Well, why wouldn't they?

Because this administration has betrayed and assaulted, not only the Constitution and the American people, but the very ideals that traditional conservatives have always held. IMO, they should be angrier than the rest of us for this.

[Kevy Baby]

Originally Posted by CoasterMatt

Isn't Ken Crane the King?

Nope... that would be Paul. Ken Crane's place would just be the headquarters