When "oops" just doesn't cut it.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Jazzman

Oh, but I will say that the Lobster joke was intended to be just that. I’m sorry I didn’t plaster “Joke! Not intended to be taken literally!” before it. If you would like me to, I can go back and edit that in there for you.

It may have been joke, but it's interesting that you compare the statement, "The Pentagon may be lying," to a complete fabrication. Are you denying that the Pentagon has ever lied? I'm not saying that they are or aren't in this case, however, there are no facts as of the moment to support either side, so why should we just assume that the Pentagon's version of the "facts" are truthful? Lord knows they've got quite the track record of not being truthful when it suits them.

[Jazzman]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

It may have been joke, but it's interesting that you compare the statement, "The Pentagon may be lying," to a complete fabrication. Are you denying that the Pentagon has ever lied? I'm not saying that they are or aren't in this case, however, there are no facts as of the moment to support either side, so why should we just assume that the Pentagon's version of the "facts" are truthful? Lord knows they've got quite the track record of not being truthful when it suits them.

Alright, so I guess the use of analogies is taboo here, so I'll explain again. iSm asked why he "should assume they are the ones telling the truth when anyone else on earth claims they are not?" As if all of those people out there doubting them have some authority. My statement, about the Lobster God, which you guys took way too seriously, was meant to show that you can find nearly any group of people holding nearly any opinions. That doesn't make whatever their opinion is the truth, or a fact. Sure, you may not find any lobster worshipers, but you may, and that wouldn't make lobsters gods. Just like it doesn't matter how many people out there believe that the Pentagon tells lies. They don't make that claim true either.

Now, does that clear that up enough for everyone?

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Jazzman

. Just like it doesn't matter how many people out there believe that the Pentagon tells lies. They don't make that claim true either.

Wow, so you really don't believe the Pentagon ever lies to the public?

[Jazzman]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Wow, so you really don't believe the Pentagon ever lies to the public?

Look man, you're far too intelligent to keep resorting to semantics, and I really don't know how many more times I can explain that comment without having to resort to picture drawing. So here is my last attempt.

I made no assertion as to whether or not the Pentagon does or does not tell lies to the public. I don't know either way, and I refuse to accept conspiracy theories or anecdotal evidence either way. I just don't know, and therefore don't lean either way.

My comment was meant to demonstrate that accepting something; an opinion, an argument, or whatever else, simply because there are some other people in the world who believe it is illogical. So there are lot's of people who believe that the Pentagon lies. So what. That doesn't make it true, it just means some people believe it. Making any argument with the statement that "There are lots of people out there who believe it, so it must be true," doesn't make sense, nor is it logical. That's my point.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Jazzman

My comment was meant to demonstrate that accepting something; an opinion, an argument, or whatever else, simply because there are some other people in the world who believe it is illogical.

The point is, there were just as many people (if not more) coming in here and definitively saying that the Pentagon's story was true as were saying that Italy's story was true. NEITHER can be said definitively, especially when it's a FACT that the Pentagon has lied to the public throughout its history (I'm not just talking about this administration here. It's the military, by their very nature they lie).