The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 246

wendybeth · 08-31-2007, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

The part that bothers me about the whole Craig thing is that would he be asked to leave if he were engaging in an opposite sex encounter? I'm thinking maybe, maybe not. But there seems to be an overwhelming support for him to leave and it seems like the "gay thing" is driving that.

Read Craig's voting record with regards to gay issues. Realize who his constituency is- a very conservative community that elected him to uphold the 'family values' of the Republican party. He has been exposed as a hypocrite and has plead guilty to breaking the law. Idaho is not known for it's liberalism; were Mr. Craig to run for office in that state as a gay or bi-sexual man chances are a bit slim that he would have been elected, particularly back in the Seventies. Since he couldn't, or wouldn't come out then he chose a life of deception and is reaping the consequences of his actions. Of course this is upsetting to the people who represented him- I would be pissed if I discovered someone I voted for had been misrepresenting himself in such a manner, not to mention being such a sleaze bucket in thinking that his position of power entitled him to break the law.

A comment was made about how, if this involved a female, that this would be a non-issue. I disagree; while it wouldn't be quite as scandalous it would still be news. He admitted to public lewdness, and he plead guilty. Clinton didn't break any laws while he was messing around with Lewinsky, and look what happened to him

innerSpaceman · 08-31-2007, 06:13 PM

Um, in all fairness ... Clinton was legitimately accused of commiting perjury, a crime. He did not admit to doing so, and never came close to pleading guilty of such in a court of law.

It's the lame thread all the Republicans hang onto, when we all know they hounded him for being sucked off under the Oral Office desk while on the phone with some of them.

We Dems were not happy with him for prevaricating under oath, but we're reasonable enough to realise it's the kind of thing Joe Blow would prevaricate about. We generally held the PotUS to a higher standard than Mr. Blow (oh wait, bad choose of anonymous name), but defended him when it became a hypocritical witch hunt.

wendybeth · 08-31-2007, 06:29 PM

I realize the perjury charge, which is why I phrased the post as I did. While he was messing around with Lewinsky, I don't think he was breaking any laws*, excluding the biblical ones. His lying about it is what got him in trouble from a legal standpoint, and rightly so.

* Unless that cigar was a Cuban one.

Alex · 08-31-2007, 06:32 PM

Three consecutive Republican sex scandals, none of which contained any information on actual sex, resulting in three resignations.

Republicans don't even having exciting sex scandals. Democrats at least actually get some and then ride out the storm (generally successfully, has any other than Gary Hart really fallen to one in the last 30 years?) keeping the story alive for many extra news cycles.

Say what you will about the hypocrisy of the Republican perpetrators, they do seem to suffer the consequences when that hypocrisy is revealed.

Even more boring since two of the sexless sex scandals involved things that shouldn't be problematic anyway (calling prostitutes and subtly signaling an interest in bathroom sex).

innerSpaceman · 08-31-2007, 06:38 PM

did i miss some Republican sex scandals? Oh fine.

Who was calling prostitutes? And what was the third?

Gemini Cricket · 08-31-2007, 06:51 PM

For the record, I would not let Craig blow me.

Alex · 08-31-2007, 06:54 PM

Mark Foley hassling the congressional pages (that's the closest I come to finding something inherently objectionable in the three cases) was the first.

The second was the guy who resigned after it became known his phone number was on that Washington madams phone logs ("I just had them over for massages.")

Thinking about it a bit more Democrat Gary Condit did suffer the end of his career because of his affair with Shandra Levy but then that also moved way beyond just being a sex scandal.

scaeagles · 09-03-2007, 06:26 PM

The worst congressional sex scandal of all, though, was Gary Studds - a sexual relationship with a 17 year old male page.

scaeagles · 09-03-2007, 06:29 PM

Edwards wants to force preventative care. Everyone must go to the doctor.

I think everyone should have to submit to drug tests while at the doctor as well. And mandatory dentist visits with mandatory cleaning. And mandatory exercise programs. Mandatory vegetables servings daily. Re-education programs for those who choose to eat too much McDonalds or pizza.

Scrooge McSam · 09-04-2007, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

Edwards wants to force preventative care.

Link, please.

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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Um, in all fairness ... Clinton was legitimately accused of commiting perjury, a crime. He did not admit to doing so, and never came close to pleading guilty of such in a court of law. It's the lame thread all the Republicans hang onto, when we all know they hounded him for being sucked off under the Oral Office desk while on the phone with some of them. We Dems were not happy with him for prevaricating under oath, but we're reasonable enough to realise it's the kind of thing Joe Blow would prevaricate about. We generally held the PotUS to a higher standard than Mr. Blow (oh wait, bad choose of anonymous name), but defended him when it became a hypocritical witch hunt.
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08-31-2007, 06:29 PM	#2453
wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	I realize the perjury charge, which is why I phrased the post as I did. While he was messing around with Lewinsky, I don't think he was breaking any laws, excluding the biblical ones. His lying about it is what got him in trouble from a legal standpoint, and rightly so. Unless that cigar was a Cuban one. __________________
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08-31-2007, 06:32 PM	#2454
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Three consecutive Republican sex scandals, none of which contained any information on actual sex, resulting in three resignations. Republicans don't even having exciting sex scandals. Democrats at least actually get some and then ride out the storm (generally successfully, has any other than Gary Hart really fallen to one in the last 30 years?) keeping the story alive for many extra news cycles. Say what you will about the hypocrisy of the Republican perpetrators, they do seem to suffer the consequences when that hypocrisy is revealed. Even more boring since two of the sexless sex scandals involved things that shouldn't be problematic anyway (calling prostitutes and subtly signaling an interest in bathroom sex).
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08-31-2007, 06:38 PM	#2455
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	did i miss some Republican sex scandals? Oh fine. Who was calling prostitutes? And what was the third?
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08-31-2007, 06:51 PM	#2456
Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	For the record, I would not let Craig blow me.
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08-31-2007, 06:54 PM	#2457
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Mark Foley hassling the congressional pages (that's the closest I come to finding something inherently objectionable in the three cases) was the first. The second was the guy who resigned after it became known his phone number was on that Washington madams phone logs ("I just had them over for massages.") Thinking about it a bit more Democrat Gary Condit did suffer the end of his career because of his affair with Shandra Levy but then that also moved way beyond just being a sex scandal.
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09-03-2007, 06:26 PM	#2458
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	The worst congressional sex scandal of all, though, was Gary Studds - a sexual relationship with a 17 year old male page.
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09-03-2007, 06:29 PM	#2459
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Edwards wants to force preventative care. Everyone must go to the doctor. I think everyone should have to submit to drug tests while at the doctor as well. And mandatory dentist visits with mandatory cleaning. And mandatory exercise programs. Mandatory vegetables servings daily. Re-education programs for those who choose to eat too much McDonalds or pizza.
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