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CoasterMatt · 10-20-2007, 09:44 AM

I thought we spotted Dumbledore at the Mutaytor show on Thursday

Gemini Cricket · 10-20-2007, 10:08 AM

Oops. I didn't see this thread.

Y'all can delete the thread I started.

Gemini Cricket · 10-20-2007, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Morrigoon

I just don't get the point of "outing" a character where it isn't relevant to the story. I suppose she's doing it to make a point, but it's still kinda strange.

I mean, she said she wasn't writing any more books, so it's not like we get to see Dumbledore getting it on with Snape or anything.

I don't see any problem with it. Especially with the upcoming encyclopedia she's putting together.
I think it's relevant to the story. His love affair with whathisface was a motivating tragedy in his life.

Chernabog · 10-20-2007, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Morrigoon

I just don't get the point of "outing" a character where it isn't relevant to the story. I suppose she's doing it to make a point, but it's still kinda strange.

I mean, she said she wasn't writing any more books, so it's not like we get to see Dumbledore getting it on with Snape or anything.

In the article it goes on to explain how (in her mind) he was in love with Grindlewald, and provides a little background for the character.

She DID say she may write another Harry Potter book, but it would be more of the encyclopedia variety, and perhaps this revelation will become "canon" via that book. However, in other Q&A sessions Rowling has answered questions about the fates (or backgrounds) of characters (i.e. who did Luna Lovegood marry?, etc.), and people have taken those answers as "canon" in the past. Nobody asked what the point of that was when it wasn't relevant to the story.

Perhaps it would have been better if she had said that in her INTERPRETATION of the works, Dumbledore was gay, or that's what she had in mind when she was writing, but it is up to the reader to decide. Lots of authors and filmmakers do that when discussing their work (see, for instance "Rebel Without a Cause"). Kids these days like to be spoon fed things, however...

Strangler Lewis · 10-20-2007, 11:07 AM

I think this allows her to expand on her universe without putting controversial things in her books that might not be appropriate for all ages. At her next lecture she'll tell us that, of course, Harry and Hermione slept together in book seven while Ron was gone and that everyone is miserable in their marriages because Harry and Hermione really loved each other but were too cowardly to do anything about it-he out of fear of poisoning their friendship; she, out of some self-destructive sense of responsibility that Harry had a higher destiny.

But enough of that. I'm not entirely convinced that her description of Dumbledore's gay life is terribly affirming. The one time he gave into love was his great tragedy? Was he celibate since? Did he bugger Tom Riddle? I'm always suspicious when people speak of "tolerance," and I'm as suspicious about this as I am about the obviously Jewish goblins that ran Gringott's.

innerSpaceman · 10-20-2007, 11:55 AM

Did I read the article incorrectly?

It sounded if she were goofing on fan fiction, not making some realization of her own. She spouted off about Dumbledore and Grindy's love, and then went, "Pffft, fan fiction!" or something to that effect.

So I think everyone's making much ado about nothing. Because I think it was just a riff on Rowling's part.

That said, if there's a gay Dumbledore, I'd rather take a tumble for the Michael Gambon version rather than the Richard Harris. (living and dead irregardless)

Strangler Lewis · 10-20-2007, 04:28 PM

That would be plausible except that it said she sent a note to the book six director to correct a suggestion to the contrary.

LSPoorEeyorick · 10-21-2007, 10:01 AM

SL has a good point.

Also, if you read the book, I think it makes sense. It's pretty strong subtext in the book, and it makes the events that happened between Dumbledore and Gridelwald more plausible to me. (It reminds me, in fact, of an abusive relationship I was once in, where my feelings for someone made me turn a blind eye to cruelties dealt, to others or to myself.)

Kevy Baby · 10-21-2007, 10:12 AM

My only comment on this is: who cares? Dumbledore's sexuality has zero impact on the story line. Why is this even a topic of discussion?

innerSpaceman · 10-21-2007, 10:19 AM

Um, not so Kevy. If he and Grindlebutt were lovers, that makes a rather large impact on the Dumbledore history that was a LARGE element of the FINAL Harry Potter novel.

Not as big an element as, say, if it were actually in the book ....

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Strangler Lewis Doing The Job Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In a state Posts: 3,956	I think this allows her to expand on her universe without putting controversial things in her books that might not be appropriate for all ages. At her next lecture she'll tell us that, of course, Harry and Hermione slept together in book seven while Ron was gone and that everyone is miserable in their marriages because Harry and Hermione really loved each other but were too cowardly to do anything about it-he out of fear of poisoning their friendship; she, out of some self-destructive sense of responsibility that Harry had a higher destiny. But enough of that. I'm not entirely convinced that her description of Dumbledore's gay life is terribly affirming. The one time he gave into love was his great tragedy? Was he celibate since? Did he bugger Tom Riddle? I'm always suspicious when people speak of "tolerance," and I'm as suspicious about this as I am about the obviously Jewish goblins that ran Gringott's. __________________ Live now-pay later. Diner's Club!
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Did I read the article incorrectly? It sounded if she were goofing on fan fiction, not making some realization of her own. She spouted off about Dumbledore and Grindy's love, and then went, "Pffft, fan fiction!" or something to that effect. So I think everyone's making much ado about nothing. Because I think it was just a riff on Rowling's part. That said, if there's a gay Dumbledore, I'd rather take a tumble for the Michael Gambon version rather than the Richard Harris. (living and dead irregardless)
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LSPoorEeyorick scribblin' Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: in the moment Posts: 3,872	SL has a good point. Also, if you read the book, I think it makes sense. It's pretty strong subtext in the book, and it makes the events that happened between Dumbledore and Gridelwald more plausible to me. (It reminds me, in fact, of an abusive relationship I was once in, where my feelings for someone made me turn a blind eye to cruelties dealt, to others or to myself.)
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Um, not so Kevy. If he and Grindlebutt were lovers, that makes a rather large impact on the Dumbledore history that was a LARGE element of the FINAL Harry Potter novel. Not as big an element as, say, if it were actually in the book ....
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