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blueerica · 11-06-2007, 03:31 PM

Hrmm... I guess I didn't see it as a non sequitur, so much as I saw it as a musing on a theme.

I do, however, agree with Alex. It's torture. Agree with it or not, call it what it is and move on. I'm still giggling over Boss' post, imagining someone water boarding behind a speed boat.

So, so wrong... *giggle*

Ghoulish Delight · 11-06-2007, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by blueerica

Hrmm... I guess I didn't see it as a non sequitur, so much as I saw it as a musing on a theme.

I very much see it as a non sequitor. Discussions of the use of waterboarding have no bearing on our stance as a society on use of nuclear weapons, and vice versa. I fail to see how condoning torture and suppressing open and honest debate by labeling dissent as tantamount to treason can be passed off as "progress" just because we aren't debating about some other topic that's unrelated to this one. Especially in light of the fact that said other topic is hardly even a closed topic. Note, for example, the reaction to Obama daring to say he wouldn't use nuclear weapons against Iran or Pakistan. Oh yeah, we've clearly progressed beyond that. Sure.

Alex · 11-06-2007, 04:19 PM

Not to mention that even if it isn't a non sequiter it still doesn't make sense. The morality of the neutron bomb has hardly been settled, it has simply been mooted by the fact that nobody has one (though four or five countries could build one if they wanted). Up until we dismantled our last ones at the end of the Bush I presidency they were still very much a topic of debate.

Kind of like saying that in Children of Men abortion is no longer a topic of debate so obviously progress has been made.

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blueerica Nueve Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,497	Hrmm... I guess I didn't see it as a non sequitur, so much as I saw it as a musing on a theme. I do, however, agree with Alex. It's torture. Agree with it or not, call it what it is and move on. I'm still giggling over Boss' post, imagining someone water boarding behind a speed boat. So, so wrong... giggle __________________ Tomorrow is the day for you and me
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Not to mention that even if it isn't a non sequiter it still doesn't make sense. The morality of the neutron bomb has hardly been settled, it has simply been mooted by the fact that nobody has one (though four or five countries could build one if they wanted). Up until we dismantled our last ones at the end of the Bush I presidency they were still very much a topic of debate. Kind of like saying that in Children of Men abortion is no longer a topic of debate so obviously progress has been made.
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