Jodie Foster Finally Comes Out! - Page 11

innerSpaceman · 12-14-2007, 02:31 PM

Just to clear up what may be a misconception. I don't think celebrities or anyone else is under any obligation to be out if they are gay. It's entirely their choice.

I think the choice to be in the closet, in ANY situation, is a cowardly one. I make that choice at times, and so I base my opinion on my own fear and cowardice. Oh, there may be real world considerations, and I may justify it with 'it's noboby's business' - but as soon as I cross the line from simply not mentioning it to avoiding mentioning it in any way, I know the fear and cowardice have kicked in.

It doesn't matter if there are or may be consequences. Losing a job, freaking your parents. Whatever. The choice to stay in the closet may be justified and rational, but that doesn't make it any less fear-based and thus cowardly.

I don't know if Foster was out or not. Maybe she was. The O.P. made some reference to her finally acknowledging her partner after upteen years, and that's what I was going off. I don't pay any attention to celebrities' private lives, gay or straight, boozer, gambler, good parent, political activist ... I don't happen to care. So I'm not sure to what degree Foster may or may not have been out prior to this.

But I've been an unacknowledged partner for years via the justifiable fear of a partner, and I didn't like it.

Perhaps Foster's partner was fine with it. Perhaps she was acknowledged in every other sphere of their lives except the public one.

Well, the area I went unacknowledged in was but a tiny slice of our mutual sphere ... but it was there nonetheless. And it was based in fear nonetheless.

€uroMeinke · 12-14-2007, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Strangler Lewis

...when I last went to the SF Gay Parade in 1989, the only people wearing "elegant" dresses were men. I think that's still the public perception.

I don't know, here in LA there are plenty of "Lipstick Lesbians" that are rather hot and fem - I think one can be a lesbian without having to sport a mullet.

Also curious as to what other things should or should not be disclosed - what about fetishes? Voting records, lists of people you've bonked or fantasized about bonking? Income, Orientation of one's parents, freinds, relatives, Favorite drinks, recreational drug use, medical hiostory, etc.?

innerSpaceman · 12-14-2007, 02:34 PM

Yes, fetishes should definetely be disclosed.

You start.

BarTopDancer · 12-14-2007, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

No, Greg. I am Bat Boy.

I am Kaiser Sose.

LSPoorEeyorick · 12-14-2007, 02:45 PM

I am Spartacus.

€uroMeinke · 12-14-2007, 02:46 PM

No, I am Spartacus

Disneyphile · 12-14-2007, 02:47 PM

I am Spankatush.

BarTopDancer · 12-14-2007, 02:48 PM

Humm..
Maybe I am Iron Man.

Chernabog · 12-14-2007, 02:49 PM

I am the Lizard Queen!

Alex · 12-14-2007, 02:49 PM

If gaining celebrity creates a certain obligation to discuss sexuality publicly so that you can be a roll model for similarly situated non-celebrities, are there any other aspects of private life that are similarly obligated.

As a young Jehovah's Witness I might have appreciated an outspoken celebrity lighting a path for me. But so many celebrities seem to consider their religious life to be completely personal and go out of their way to avoid discussing it.

Same with chronic diseases. Is Pamela Anderson obligated to openly discuss her Hepatatis C (if she has it). Should Gary Burghoff (Radar, from MASH) have been outspoken about his deformed hand (just an example, for all I know he was)?

Should Lee Majors and Nancy Reagan make the fact that they're adopted a big part of their public profile? What obligations does Woody Harrelson have to openly and prominently discuss the fact that his father was a freelance hitman so that other children of murderers can know that it is possible to rise above that?

We all have different things we consider part of our private life, even celebrities, and that which is a topic of ease for one person is very uncomfortable for another. And discomfort does not necessarily equal shame.

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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Just to clear up what may be a misconception. I don't think celebrities or anyone else is under any obligation to be out if they are gay. It's entirely their choice. I think the choice to be in the closet, in ANY situation, is a cowardly one. I make that choice at times, and so I base my opinion on my own fear and cowardice. Oh, there may be real world considerations, and I may justify it with 'it's noboby's business' - but as soon as I cross the line from simply not mentioning it to avoiding mentioning it in any way, I know the fear and cowardice have kicked in. It doesn't matter if there are or may be consequences. Losing a job, freaking your parents. Whatever. The choice to stay in the closet may be justified and rational, but that doesn't make it any less fear-based and thus cowardly. I don't know if Foster was out or not. Maybe she was. The O.P. made some reference to her finally acknowledging her partner after upteen years, and that's what I was going off. I don't pay any attention to celebrities' private lives, gay or straight, boozer, gambler, good parent, political activist ... I don't happen to care. So I'm not sure to what degree Foster may or may not have been out prior to this. But I've been an unacknowledged partner for years via the justifiable fear of a partner, and I didn't like it. Perhaps Foster's partner was fine with it. Perhaps she was acknowledged in every other sphere of their lives except the public one. Well, the area I went unacknowledged in was but a tiny slice of our mutual sphere ... but it was there nonetheless. And it was based in fear nonetheless.
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Yes, fetishes should definetely be disclosed. You start.
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	If gaining celebrity creates a certain obligation to discuss sexuality publicly so that you can be a roll model for similarly situated non-celebrities, are there any other aspects of private life that are similarly obligated. As a young Jehovah's Witness I might have appreciated an outspoken celebrity lighting a path for me. But so many celebrities seem to consider their religious life to be completely personal and go out of their way to avoid discussing it. Same with chronic diseases. Is Pamela Anderson obligated to openly discuss her Hepatatis C (if she has it). Should Gary Burghoff (Radar, from MASH) have been outspoken about his deformed hand (just an example, for all I know he was)? Should Lee Majors and Nancy Reagan make the fact that they're adopted a big part of their public profile? What obligations does Woody Harrelson have to openly and prominently discuss the fact that his father was a freelance hitman so that other children of murderers can know that it is possible to rise above that? We all have different things we consider part of our private life, even celebrities, and that which is a topic of ease for one person is very uncomfortable for another. And discomfort does not necessarily equal shame.
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