The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux)

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Republicans revel in the fact that half our nation hated George Bush (now two-thirds, btw). Maybe it's a weakness of good people that we'd rather sacrifice something for the sake of others (i.e., our first choice but divisive president for our 3rd choice but more uniting president). I happen to think it's a great strength, if only of character.


But that's the most important kind.

And yet you're voting for Hillary over Obama?

[JWBear]

Now that Richardson is out of the picture, my vote (in the primary) is going for Obama. I do not like Hillary, and I never have. To me, she's just another politician who stands for nothing but her own ego and thirst for power. And, she has a personality you can grate cheese with. No thanks!

If it came down to a race between her and McCain, I’d vote for McCain.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by JWBear

Now that Richardson is out of the picture, my vote (in the primary) is going for Obama. I do not like Hillary, and I never have. To me, she's just another politician who stands for nothing but her own ego and thirst for power. And, she has a personality you can grate cheese with. No thanks!

I almost agree with that. Almost. I do think she truly believes in one or two things. I do think she honestly, for instance, believes in her vision for change in health care. What bothers me is that she is willing to say anything, do anything, step on anyone, compromise any other stance if it means getting closer to those one or two narrow things she does believe in.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Core Republicans froth at the thought that McCain, as president, might actually cooperate with Democrats to get things done.

Hmm....I find that to be funny, considering Bush's early work on education had bills written by Ted Kennedy, and then those bills were later heavily criticized by dems.

I don't particulary see many dems wanting to work with republicans.

[Alex]

I'll vote for Obama over pretty much any other person running (even though I disagree with him on almost every political issue I think he could be good for the country; or he could end up being horrible but I'm interested in giving him a shot).

Hillary is disqualified for reasons given above but if it ended up being a choice between her and McCain or her and Huckabee I'd have to seriously reconsider that disqualification. I don't know why but the way many people react viscerally (and badly) to Hillary Clinton is how I respond to McCain.

Plus, I think he is too old for the job. No, that's no more fair to him than it is fair that I disqualify Clinton simply because she is married to a former president. But when I consider presidents I assume 8 year terms and McCain will be almost 3 years older than Reagan when he took office and look how that worked out by the end of his terms.

Not fair, but not a risk I'm inclined to take, especially when I already don't like the man.

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Meanwhile, Republicans better get off their high horse about supporting John McCain. Otherwise, he's going to have a hard time winning states that don't allow Dems and Independents to vote in GOP primaries. That's where lots of his support currently is. But that's precisely why he's the MOST ELECTIBLE REPUBLICAN ... sheesh. Get a Clue.

The thing is....he's not all that electable. He does nothing to inspire the Republican base and you know as well as I that once it comes down to just one Dem and one Rep candidate his "support" from the left will evaporate and all sorts of "new" evils will be "discovered" by the same media that acts like they love him now.

Core Republicans froth at the thought that McCain, as president, might actually cooperate with Democrats to get things done.

What so many non-conservatives don't get is that we don't want things to get done....every time a law is passed the shine of freedom is scuffed up a bit. Gridlock is our friend

He's done so in the past. He also has a very consistently conservative voting record, which Republicans tend to overlook. But it's precisely because they can't stand to consider compromise that they might be willing to forego supporting the ONLY Republican that can win a presidential election in the current electoral climate.

The thing is he also has a knack for compromising with the Dems on things that are fundamentally against our beliefs....and since it is most likely the next congress will be in the control of the Dems the only things that will get "done" are things that he tends to agree with them on......so basically all of the Dem issues will get attention while the Conservative needs go by the way side.

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by dlrp_bopazot

it is interesting for me especially because i'am in your country to follow closely the Presidentials .

Democrats VS Republicans

i only have to say that i have ifferents thoughs about america especially coming from another country to share with you if you'd like to hear it .

While I'm sure it's not pretty, I'd love to hear what you have to say.
I think that we're all "grown up" enough to respect yet another opinion in the mix.

[SacTown Chronic]

I'd vote for Obama even if I did disagree with him on every political issue simply because I perceive him to be a good and honorable man....and that's good enough for me these days. In fact, that's better than good enough -- it's a goddamned better thing than we've had politics-wise in this country for a long time.


So yeah, I'm giving Barrack Obama the chance to fall flat on his face as president. The results can't be any worse than what Bush has wrought.


Why the fvck not?

[Snowflake]

Originally Posted by SacTown Chronic

I'd vote for Obama even if I did disagree with him on every political issue simply because I perceive him to be a good and honorable man....and that's good enough for me these days. In fact, that's better than good enough -- it's a goddamned better thing than we've had politics-wise in this country for a long time.


So yeah, I'm giving Barrack Obama the chance to fall flat on his face as president. The results can't be any worse than what Bush has wrought.


Why the fvck not?

STC, I have to agree with you here. I cannot, in all good conscience, lob a vote in Hillary's direction since I do not believe her to be good or honorable (her not being a man is immaterial). I'm leaning very heavily in Obama's direction.

My questions is, if Obama lands the nomination, who will land on the ticket as veep. Would an Obama/Edwards ticket be the go?

[Alex]

I doubt Edwards would be picked for Veep but probably offered cabinet level for his delegates. I wouldn't mind seeing Richardson as VP and he seems to be angling for it.