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Alex · 02-09-2008, 12:15 PM

Sure, but sometimes you get a Kobe Bryant (I'm talking about basketball talent at the top level not his qualities as a human being).

I can understand where he's coming from. I'm sure it was a very attractive idea to just wait for the next chance, but there's no guarantee the next chance will be there (look at the front runners from 2000 who probably figured they'd just have to wait through the Bush years and get take their turn). If he stood aside and Clinton won then he wouldn't be looking at 2012 but rather 2016 who knows how the world and the competition will change by then. Plus, while the Republicans have a history of sticking with a politician through several election cycles the Democrats seem much more fickle in that regard.

innerSpaceman · 02-10-2008, 08:12 AM

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but there's no guarantee the next chance will be there (look at the front runners from 2000 who probably figured they'd just have to wait through the Bush years and get take their turn).

You mean like McCain.

Alex · 02-10-2008, 08:52 AM

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You mean like McCain.

Yes, if McCain is now a Democrat which is what I was, unclearly, talking about. But yeah, 2000 wasn't the best example since that year both parties had heir designates (Bush and Gore). Though on the Dem side none of the three people (Gore, Bradley, Wellstone) who even tried made an attempt this time around (Wellstone, being dead, was an extreme longshot).

But even from 2004. John Edwards was the only one of the several Democrats who made serious bids for the nomination that was able to justify another attempt in 2008. Wesley Clark, Howard Dean, Dick Gephardt, John Kerry, Joe Lieberman

sleepyjeff · 02-09-2008, 12:27 PM

Plus, 4 - 8 more years would force him to actually vote on things that could come back to bite him come the next election.

One of the reasons so many people like him, aside from being able to speak so elequently, is that he hasn't angered too many people yet. That would change if he spent another 8 years in the Senate.

scaeagles · 02-09-2008, 01:09 PM

Indeed.

It is exceptionally easy to talk about change. There are many eloquent and inspiring speech makers in the the world. I want to know how he's going to change things, with specifics of tax policy or health care or foreign policy.

When someone starts to do that and their plans can be analyzed by economists or foreign policy experts or whomever it can become less inspiring. The whole call for "change" in and of itself is not impressive, particularly with such an unpopular President and legislative branch. The plans for change are what is needed to impress me.

€uroMeinke · 02-10-2008, 02:21 AM

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Indeed.

It is exceptionally easy to talk about change. There are many eloquent and inspiring speech makers in the the world. I want to know how he's going to change things, with specifics of tax policy or health care or foreign policy.

Maybe it was the whole Clinton Health Care thing - but I find it laughable when Presidential candidates get into details when the fact is the brightest ideas in the world will never make it through congress.

innerSpaceman · 02-10-2008, 08:14 AM

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The whole call for "change" in and of itself is not impressive, particularly with such an unpopular President and legislative branch. The plans for change are what is needed to impress me.

OH MY GOD, I agree with scaeagles on something politcal. Someone shoot me!

Motorboat Cruiser · 02-10-2008, 09:07 AM

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OH MY GOD, I agree with scaeagles on something politcal. Someone shoot me!

Bang.

scaeagles · 02-10-2008, 10:49 AM

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OH MY GOD, I agree with scaeagles on something politcal. Someone shoot me!

Thinking of turning the gun on myself, actually.

mousepod · 02-09-2008, 02:17 PM

Vice-President Richardson would be nice.

02-09-2008, 12:15 PM	#1
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Sure, but sometimes you get a Kobe Bryant (I'm talking about basketball talent at the top level not his qualities as a human being). I can understand where he's coming from. I'm sure it was a very attractive idea to just wait for the next chance, but there's no guarantee the next chance will be there (look at the front runners from 2000 who probably figured they'd just have to wait through the Bush years and get take their turn). If he stood aside and Clinton won then he wouldn't be looking at 2012 but rather 2016 who knows how the world and the competition will change by then. Plus, while the Republicans have a history of sticking with a politician through several election cycles the Democrats seem much more fickle in that regard.
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sleepyjeff Go Hawks Go! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Parkrose Posts: 2,632	Plus, 4 - 8 more years would force him to actually vote on things that could come back to bite him come the next election. One of the reasons so many people like him, aside from being able to speak so elequently, is that he hasn't angered too many people yet. That would change if he spent another 8 years in the Senate. __________________ River Guardian-less
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Indeed. It is exceptionally easy to talk about change. There are many eloquent and inspiring speech makers in the the world. I want to know how he's going to change things, with specifics of tax policy or health care or foreign policy. When someone starts to do that and their plans can be analyzed by economists or foreign policy experts or whomever it can become less inspiring. The whole call for "change" in and of itself is not impressive, particularly with such an unpopular President and legislative branch. The plans for change are what is needed to impress me.
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mousepod You broke your Ramadar! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,635	Vice-President Richardson would be nice. __________________ "Give the public everything you can give them, keep the place as clean as you can keep it, keep it friendly" - Walt Disney
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