Yes, we can.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by Moonliner

Dear Hillary supporters:

When If Obama officially receives the Democratic nomination for President, will you then toss your support over to him? Vote McCain? Stay Home?

I'm an Obama supporter, so the question does not apply to me. However... If Clinton should manage to win the nomination, I will vote for her without hesitation in November – albeit with a firm grasp on my nose. She would be the lesser of two evils.

[innerSpaceman]

Of course I'm throwing my support behind Obama if, er, when Clinton loses the nomination. D'uh.


Funny, because as scary as he is, I find MCain to be the least objectionable Republican candidate for president of my long lifetime.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

Hell, I even know of a few conservatives who shudder at that prospect and have cited it as the number one reason they will not vote for McCain.

Different worlds....justice openings are one of the only reasons I would vote FOR McCain.

If Obama wins, I'm going to find it amusing should his nominations be filibustered in the same way Bush's were, listening to the left side of the aisle screech about how unfair that is.

Does it make it right? No, just like WB alluded to with the open primaries. I hate open primaries. Doesn't stop me from enjoying the turmoil. Maybe no both sides will finally agree that open primaries are a bad idea.

BY the way....as far as counting all votes....if Florida and Michigan were counter, wouldn't Hillary have the popular vote lead? I thoought I heard that. What the dems choose to do is their own business. They wouldn't be in this mess if they hadn't set up their primaries as porportionally awarded so that super delegates could make the decision. They've gotten just what they have asked for.

[Ghoulish Delight]

You can't use the Florida and Michigan #'s. No campaigns were run there. Rather, Obama didn't run campaigns there due the the party rules. Clinton, while she didn't visit, actively pandered to them. Plus, wasn't there at least one of those where Clinton's name was on the ballot but Obama's wasn't?

[scaeagles]

I'm not sure. I just think it is a card Hillary might play in her desperation.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

You can't use the Florida and Michigan #'s. No campaigns were run there. Rather, Obama didn't run campaigns there due the the party rules. Clinton, while she didn't visit, actively pandered to them. Plus, wasn't there at least one of those where Clinton's name was on the ballot but Obama's wasn't?

Michigan. Obama played by the rules that both he and Clinton agreed on. Clinton is trying to change them.

[scaeagles]

There's a shock.

[mousepod]

I'm a Clinton supporter who will vote for the Democratic nominee in November, whoever that may be (I originally supported Richardson, btw). What irks me to no end are the Obama supporters who are doing the Republicans job for them, by bashing the hell out of HC. The argument that Hillary is somehow ruining the Democrats' chances in November by staying in the race is a convenient (and silly) argument that seems to be the club of choice here. Blah to you.

For the record, Obama ran a cable TV ad which showed in Florida and even appeared at a fundraiser there last September. Both of these were choices he made after he promised to not campaign in Florida.

I'm not bashing, but c'mon people... the guy's a politician. Just like Clinton. Just like McCain.

[scaeagles]

And speaking of McCain.....I'm almost back to thinking I can't vote for him. He takes more sides of an issue than Kerry.

He speaks about the need to secure the border to one audience, but when speaking to a racist Hispanic organization called "La Raza" he talks about the need for "comprehensive immigration reform" (which I take to mean his original amnesty plan), and then at other times he says all he needs is border governors to certify to him that their borders are secure. Yeah, right.

That's just one example of many. The man has always made me ill and I'm trying to ignore it, but it's only going to get worse after the dem nomination is decided (officially) and he is getting press again.

Back to thinking I may just sit this one out, but the thought of that just makes me feel as if I am failing in my civic duty. I've NEVER skipped even the most minor local election....not that I'd completely skip this one, as there are other casdidates and offices and propositions requiring votes.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

BY the way....as far as counting all votes....if Florida and Michigan were counter, wouldn't Hillary have the popular vote lead?

That was true yesterday (and then only if Michigan was counted, which is most universally agreed to not be at all reasonable since Obama wasn't on the ballot) but now even that is not the case. Add both in and Obama still has the lead. Plus there would be the fact that his "vote counts" from most caucus states (which he mostly won decisively) are just estimates and most likely understated.