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Ghoulish Delight · 05-13-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

Yes it does....maybe not always but it does.

Personally I think continually proving we have our heads up our asses by basing our international policy on consistently faulty intelligence is doing plenty to embolden our enemies.

sleepyjeff · 05-13-2008, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Personally I think continually proving we have our heads up our asses by basing our international policy on consistently faulty intelligence is doing plenty to embolden our enemies.

Like Libya?

JWBear · 05-13-2008, 03:00 PM

Yeah Sleepyjeff, lets not talk to anyone we don't see eye-to-eye with; just go to war with them without provocation. Lets just show the World who the biggest, meanest, most macho country is. Diplomacy is for wimps and pansies!

sleepyjeff · 05-13-2008, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JWBear

Yeah Sleepyjeff, lets not talk to anyone we don't see eye-to-eye with; just go to war with them without provocation. Lets just show the World who the biggest, meanest, most macho country is. Diplomacy is for wimps and pansies!

Not what I am saying at all. It's just that if you state that you intend to conduct talks with any and all enemies you may find your list of enemies to grow rather than shrink.

Want something from the US.....go rogue and the US will "talk"(read, give you something).

Moonliner · 05-13-2008, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

Not what I am saying at all. It's just that if you state that you intend to conduct talks with any and all enemies you may find your list of enemies to grow rather than shrink.

Want something from the US.....go rogue and the US will "talk"(read, give you something).

But can't talk mean We'll put a boot in your ass as easily as you imply it means give you something

Not Afraid · 05-13-2008, 03:36 PM

Obama is not a saint, nor is he very experienced politically. I'm sure he's going to make lots of mistakes and get some hige reality checks once he becomes President. However, I'm not sure that the mistakes he will make will be on the same dramatic level of fu<ked up that our current President has achieved.

sleepyjeff · 05-13-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonliner

But can't talk mean We'll put a boot in your ass as easily as you imply it means give you something

I suppose, but there really is no need to deliver that kind of message in person..."talk" usually means "negotiate" which usually means both sides give in on something. If a bully says "meet me after school and we'll "talk" " he's probably not going to be giving anything up other than the behavior he is doing just to make you "talk" in the first place....and at that he will only give it up until he wants something else.

innerSpaceman · 05-13-2008, 04:18 PM

Where did Obama say he'd meet personally with the heads of adversarial governments???

sleepyjeff · 05-13-2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Where did Obama say he'd meet personally with the heads of adversarial governments???

"Talk to our Foes and Friends: Obama is willing to meet with the leaders of all nations, friend and foe."

From http://www.barackobama.com/issues/fo...icy/#diplomacy

innerSpaceman · 05-13-2008, 05:09 PM

Ok, and then what's wrong with negotiating? You think we don't give something when we go to war? Lives of thousands of soldiers? The national treasury through 13 generations from now?

You don't think we can negotiate for something less costly than that?

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