Yes, we can.

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

That's clearly exactly what he was referring to. "I understand why this administration and previous administrations had such antipathy towards Hamas because of their dedication to violence and the things that they not only espouse but practice, so . . . but it's a new reality in the Middle East." His response was specifically in opposition to the current doctrine of zero communication. "Deal with" was obviously meant in the sense of "engaging", not "obliterating."

I wish I could find out what comes in between "so" and "but" in that quote. Because the way I read it does not make it obvious at all. To me this could just as easily mean that ~now that Hamas has more power we are going to have to confront a new reality~ There's really nothing in there about more communication......at least not in that quote.

I will concede though that McCain is a big time flip-flopper.....all US Senators are(which is why I am totally shocked that the top 4 finishers in this years run were all US Senators......they generally don't win the Presidency in modern times due to the very fact that they can easily be painted flip-floppers---)

[scaeagles]

I haven't read the quote from McCain, but don't doubt it at all. McCain plays more sides of an issue than Kerrey does.

Here's why I think the Obama uproar is so ridiculous (on the part of Obama). Obama has said he would sit down and have face to face diplomacy with Ahmadinejad without conditions. Iran is the leading state sponsor of terrorism, and Ahmadinejad is the leader of Iran. So Obama has said he will sit down and have face to face talks with terroists. When called on it, that is an out of bounds issue?

Please realize I think McCain would be wrong to do so, and I don't doubt he said it. But drop the insane righteous indignation, Obama.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Pretty amazing pictures from Oregon, where an estimated 65,000 attended and another 15,000 were turned away.



I'm assuming that Sleepyjeff is somewhere in that picture.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Why would a senator flip-flop more than any other elected official?

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

Pretty amazing pictures from Oregon, where an estimated 65,000 attended and another 15,000 were turned away.



I'm assuming that Sleepyjeff is somewhere in that picture.

Give you a dollar if you can find me

[innerSpaceman]

Are you wearing a red and white striped cardigan and a wool cap??

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

Why would a senator flip-flop more than any other elected official?

I think it's a character issue more than anything else. I don't think it's an issue of office.

Obama is starting to wear really thin on me. He claims fear mongering when it comes to talking about terrorists, but he told a gathering of little old ladies that their social security is at risk if McCain gets elected. That's not fear mongering? He may genuinely believe that, but those who talk about Obama saying he will talk with terrorists (and he did, as noted in an earlier post) also believe it is a a genuine risk.

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

Why would a senator flip-flop more than any other elected official?

Several reasons that I can think of off the top of my head.

1) They are only up for re-election every 6 years....removing them from accountability(unless they plan to run for President).

2) Old boys(and girls) network.......many of them are Senators first and Democrats/Republicans second; often changing their votes to help out an old friend across the aisle. The Senate is far less partisan then the HoRep.

Most of all though...

3) Senators, with a few exceptions, have been around for a lot longer than most other national level politicians......you are just more likely to contradict yourself the longer you have been around; situations and even personal views change.

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Are you wearing a red and white striped cardigan and a wool cap??

No, but you would have to go back in time to find me there. I have not attended a stage event at the waterfront since Valerie Day was singing I can't wait for New Shoes

[innerSpaceman]

I'm frankly embarrassed for Obama supporters. He's becoming more craven and hypocritical with every passing day, and he hasn't even officially become the candidate yet. Ugh, by summer, he's not going to [i]remotely resemble the White Knight his fans picture him as.