The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux)

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by JWBear

Name someone in Clinton's administration who outed a covert CIA agent, had their involvement covered up by the White House, and got away scott free.

Actually, I can....the person who outed PLame was a man named Richard Armitage, a Clinton appointee in the state department. This is old news.

Show me where the Democrats, during the Clinton administration, instituted a smear campaign against critics of Clinton.

Off the top of my head I can think of 900 or so illegally acquired FBI files, and historically, a Nixon staffer went to jail for only illegally having access to one.

Show me any examples abuse of power or treasonous acts, by any member of the Clinton administration, that comes anywhere near the level of abuse and treason being committed by the Bush administration.

Abuse of power? How about burning the Branch Dividians alive? Treason? How about giving missile tech to China and nukes to North Korea? There's also the case of classified documents being stuffed in the pants of one Sandy Berger so they could be removed from the national archives. There is acceptance of lots of campaign contributions from foreign nationals.

President Clinton was far from perfect, but try and compare him to President Bush is ridiculous.

I am no fan of Bush, which I have made clear here over and over. Trying to say that abuse of power is unique to the republicans is the outragous claim here.

I keep editing this to add more, but what's the point? Not going to go anywhere, change anyone's mind.

[innerSpaceman]

OMG, scaeagles has some good points. Burning the Davidians alive was beyond fuctup!

Um, but while Richard Armitage may have once been a member of the Clinton Administration, he was not at the time he committed treason ... he was a member of the Bush Administration.

[scaeagles]

Technically you are correct, ICM. He was a Clinton appointee, but currently still on holdover in the state department. I am not aware of any cover up to protect him, though.

I suppose the cover up must have been very effective, then.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Actually, I can....the person who outed PLame was a man named Richard Armitage, a Clinton appointee in the state department. This is old news.



Off the top of my head I can think of 900 or so illegally acquired FBI files, and historically, a Nixon staffer went to jail for only illegally having access to one.



Abuse of power? How about burning the Branch Dividians alive? Treason? How about giving missile tech to China and nukes to North Korea? There's also the case of classified documents being stuffed in the pants of one Sandy Berger so they could be removed from the national archives. There is acceptance of lots of campaign contributions from foreign nationals.



I am no fan of Bush, which I have made clear here over and over. Trying to say that abuse of power is unique to the republicans is the outragous claim here.

I keep editing this to add more, but what's the point? Not going to go anywhere, change anyone's mind.

IsM covered your 1st point, so I won’t respond to it.

I’ll probably be the lone voice on this, but I see no abuse of power in the actions taken against the Branch Davidians. It ended in a tragedy, yes. But I lay the blame on the Davidians themselves. Even if the justice department were to blame, how does that handful of deaths compare the thousands killed by the federal government’s incompetent (or culpable) response to Katrina. A violent, messianic cult wiped out compared to a whole city? Not even close.

As to the others, again… They are nowhere near the scale of abuse and treason committed by the Bush administration. Actions, btw, that are routinely glossed and ignored over by the , so called, “liberal” press.

How about illegal warrantless wiretaps of US citizens?
How about firing career prosecutors because they won’t prosecute according to the President’s political whim?
How about the systematic trashing of the Constitution?
How about lying to get us in to a war against a nation that has never attacked the US (and had nothing to attack us with), was anti-Islamic extremist, and cost us the lives of thousands of US military personnel… All for nothing.

I could go on, but as you said, but what's the point? Not going to go anywhere, change anyone's mind.

[scaeagles]

Well, we'll always disagree....I just started going through what you'd written to debate and or counter, but I won't....because there' no point, blah, blah blah.

[BDBopper]

History was made at the South Carolina GOP Convention last Saturday as they elected the South's very first black Republican National Committeeman! It's about frickin' time! So why am I doubly excited? Well the candidate that won, Glenn McCall was endorsed by Mike Huckabee and he beat the pants off of the incumbent, who was endorsed by the Dinglecheese Mitt Romney!

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

The realization that Ted Olson is McCain's legal adviser makes me extra scared to think of a McCain Presidency.

Damnit sometimes I hate being right. Surprise surprise, with Olson as legal adviser, McCain's coming to the same idiotic conclusions as the Bush administration:

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/200...-id-spy-o.html

[Strangler Lewis]

Of course, we don't know if he actually means it or if he's simply decided that he can't get elected 1) by disavowing Bush and 2) without running on a "Scare America First" platform.

[3894]

Win a trip to the Republican Convention!

Hey, it's a free trip to the Mall of America. Also, Garrison Keillor might be performing in St. Paul. Otherwise ...

[Alex]

Minneapolis also has (or at least had a decade ago), a couple strip clubs that actually served decent food. The perfect escape for when you're on a business trip and and want to get some dinner and yet be absolutely certain you won't run into any coworkers. I don't know if that works for Republican conventions.

Probably not.