Wall-E - Page 12

Alex · 06-29-2008, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Much as I love lists, I don't see the need to compare it to other Pixar movies, as if Pixar is a genre. Just like the folks from Pixar will cringe if you call Animation a genre.

The only reason that this board considered Wall-E to be a must-see-event is because the names Pixar and Disney are attached. If the Dreamworks name had been above the title word of mouth may have eventually put every one of our butts in a theater but there'd have been no organized opening weekend group outings. Comparing to other efforts from Pixar (or at least the other Andrew Stanton titles) seems reasonable to me.

Pixar's fillms are a body of work that has been produced from a relatively small, relatively stable group of creative inputs. Comparing within a "genre" is potentially just as silly. Are Dark City and Earth Girls are Easy somehow more appropriate for side by side comparison than Wall-E and Cars simply because they both involve aliens?

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But unless Pixar films are the product of one man and his lone art, I see no need to compare Wall-E to Finding Nemo any more than it's appropriate to compare Wall-E to The Love Guru.

Wall-E and Finding Nemo are the product of one man (though obviously with a lot of help). And I'd say Finding Nemo was more fun and Wall-E was more artistic.

But yes, it should be considered fully on its own as well. And on its own I consider the second half to have some significant flaws that are more than outweighed by greatness in other areas.

I'm just sad because I was so hoping that Andrew Stanton would rekindle the awe I felt at the end of last year's Ratatouille. He didn't. He showed me a good time on the level of Cars, I just want to be raving about it like most of you get to. That feeling is something I want and I didn't get it this time.

Comparing within the science fiction genre only hurts Wall-E, in my opinion,because while it was set in a science fiction world, the particulars of the universe created for the core love story were minimally explored and developed. What is good about the movie has nothing (in my view) to do with the science fiction elements.

innerSpaceman · 06-30-2008, 08:23 AM

Well, Andrew Stanton is no Brad Bird.

Ghoulish Delight · 06-30-2008, 08:39 AM

I keep forgetting to mention this. I'm failing to recall the exact context, but there was a ship or building or something with an obvious Space Mountain silhouette in there.

LSPoorEeyorick · 06-30-2008, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Well, Andrew Stanton is no Brad Bird.

I rather think Brad Bird is no Andrew Stanton. If I had to rate Pixar movies - well, I usually wait to rate until I've seen a few times and digested over months - but right now, Stanton's most recent two are tied for #1.

Ghoulish Delight · 06-30-2008, 09:54 AM

Stanton has more under his belt that I like (Monster's Inc, Nemo, WALL E, and even Bugs Life. I'm not hot on Toy Story 2). But Brad Bird has 2 of the best told stories, imo, to his name, even if only 1 is Pixar (Iron Giant and Ratatouille). Those two from Bird are more well told from beginning to end than any from Stanton according to my tastes.

The thing that makes comparing Pixar movies make sense is that, whomever is actually producing it, they all share the same focus on character, and all succeed at it to varying degrees. What they do share, beyond technical aspects, goes well beyond genre and definitely invites comparison. And the fact that WALL E contains a host of characters that are introduced without following through on their story arcs is out of character for a Pixar film and what, to my mind, hurts WALL E. It doesn't diminish the brilliance of what was done right, but it does diminish the movie as a whole.

Gemini Cricket · 06-30-2008, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by LSPoorEeyorick

...but right now, Stanton's most recent two are tied for #1.

My top five are now:
Finding Nemo
Ratatouille
Wall-E
The Incredibles
Monsters Inc.

innerSpaceman · 06-30-2008, 10:35 AM

Brad Bird's got The Iron Giant, Ratatouille and The Incredibles. Game Over.

Don't get me wrong, I love Finding Nemo, Wall-E, and Monters, Inc. But Stanton's also got the two Pixars I really don't care for, Bug's Life and Toy Story 2. Demerits.

Match-up goes to Bird in my book.

And perhaps Alex is right that I went to the cinema because Wall-E was under the Pixar banner indicative of quality, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't have Netflixed the film if it got positive word-of-mouth.

Gemini Cricket · 06-30-2008, 10:37 AM

TS2 was an improvement over TS1. I truly didn't care for Bug's Life...

innerSpaceman · 06-30-2008, 10:42 AM

There you go not knowing things again. TS2 was worthy of its unimaginative sequel name. Not without its charms and wit, the story was pure direct-to-video quality sequel crap.

The original was brilliant.

Feel free to continue displaying your cinematic naivete however.

Gemini Cricket · 06-30-2008, 10:49 AM

iSm, your ignorance is boring us.
TS1 was all about 'hey, look what we can do with a computer'.
TS2 had a more interesting story attached to it. It's a worthy sequel that was better than its predecessor. A direct-to-DVD plot would include Woody and Buzz on vacation in Miami or something.
Neither makes my top five, though.

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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Stanton has more under his belt that I like (Monster's Inc, Nemo, WALL E, and even Bugs Life. I'm not hot on Toy Story 2). But Brad Bird has 2 of the best told stories, imo, to his name, even if only 1 is Pixar (Iron Giant and Ratatouille). Those two from Bird are more well told from beginning to end than any from Stanton according to my tastes. The thing that makes comparing Pixar movies make sense is that, whomever is actually producing it, they all share the same focus on character, and all succeed at it to varying degrees. What they do share, beyond technical aspects, goes well beyond genre and definitely invites comparison. And the fact that WALL E contains a host of characters that are introduced without following through on their story arcs is out of character for a Pixar film and what, to my mind, hurts WALL E. It doesn't diminish the brilliance of what was done right, but it does diminish the movie as a whole. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Brad Bird's got The Iron Giant, Ratatouille and The Incredibles. Game Over. Don't get me wrong, I love Finding Nemo, Wall-E, and Monters, Inc. But Stanton's also got the two Pixars I really don't care for, Bug's Life and Toy Story 2. Demerits. Match-up goes to Bird in my book. And perhaps Alex is right that I went to the cinema because Wall-E was under the Pixar banner indicative of quality, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't have Netflixed the film if it got positive word-of-mouth.
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Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	TS2 was an improvement over TS1. I truly didn't care for Bug's Life...
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	There you go not knowing things again. TS2 was worthy of its unimaginative sequel name. Not without its charms and wit, the story was pure direct-to-video quality sequel crap. The original was brilliant. Feel free to continue displaying your cinematic naivete however.
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06-30-2008, 10:49 AM	#120
Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	iSm, your ignorance is boring us. TS1 was all about 'hey, look what we can do with a computer'. TS2 had a more interesting story attached to it. It's a worthy sequel that was better than its predecessor. A direct-to-DVD plot would include Woody and Buzz on vacation in Miami or something. Neither makes my top five, though.
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