Ta Ta Jesse Helms

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

No, no, dear. You'll be with us... down there. More fun, really.

Exactly. Where do you think Jim Morrison and Michael Hutchence are?

[BDBopper]

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In the pas few days I had decided to stay away from this thread until I read up on this person. For a political figure I oddly had never heard of him before or knew why he was so important. After doing my homework I can safely say that I do not and will not hail the former Senator for his stance on the issues or what he stood for. However I must admire the fact that (based on what I have researched) that he meant what he said and he said what he meant. He convictions were rock solid (though very misguided and horrible). There are not many politicians that I have ever come across that can be known for having rock-solid convictions.

I am very disturbed by the reaction from some about the statement from Governor Mike Huckabee on Fox News the other night. Mike stated that "Obama should have the conviction of Helms" The Detractors assume that the statement meant that Huckabee was saying that Obamam shiould have the same views as Helms did and that is not the case. Huckabee was stating the fact that you knew where Helms stood on the issues and that Obama does not have that quality as he continues to wobble around on issues of importance (good, bad, or indifferent).

[wendybeth]

Boy, when Huckabee misspeaks he really does it good.

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by BDBopper

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I should just move on, but I won't.

Is sticking to one's guns, no matter if it hurts an entire race, something to admire in someone? I find much more admiration for someone who can say, 'I've thought about it, and I am wrong' than someone who says, 'I am right no matter what anyone says, I can make no errors ever'.

I love people who stick to their guns, but when someone's wrong they're wrong. And while they run unstoppable downhill fueled by their own ill-conceived convictions, I'll wait for them to fall. And excuse my laughing when they do.

I know what it's like to be in someone else's shoes. And for that fact alone, I am a better man than the late Jesse Helms ever was.

[lashbear]

BD: I know what you mean - he was referring to someone who makes a policy or standpoint and then sticks with it, not changing horses midstream. That I get.

As GC pointed out, I also hope Obama has the grace to be able to change his point of view if people point out errors (especially huge ones like JH's) in his views.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

There are pros and cons to sticking to one's convictions. In some cases it is admirable. In other cases, it is not.

[JWBear]

"Sticking to one's convictions" can be just another way of saying "pigheaded".

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

Is sticking to one's guns, no matter if it hurts an entire race, something to admire in someone? I find much more admiration for someone who can say, 'I've thought about it, and I am wrong' than someone who says, 'I am right no matter what anyone says, I can make no errors ever'.

Helms, and many others, could have learned a lesson from Robert Byrd.

[BDBopper]

I can't argue with anything Y'all have wrote in response. Very good logic. Thanks for not throwing stones at me. Although the thought of that makes me chuckle because it reminds me of The Life of Brian (very ironic because Brian is my name)

No One will stone anyone until I blow this whistle! Even if he did say Jehovah!

[lashbear]

...and Jesus said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
..and a stone came flying over the heads of the crowd and struck hard and true.
...Jesus turned and said "Mum, you can be so annoying at times."