Ta Ta Jesse Helms

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by JWBear

And I have been trying to defend myself from an implication that my continuing to speak out against Helms, and feeling no sadness at his death, makes me the same as him.

..and if by that you are referring to me (or think I said you are full of hatred) you are wrong-

Please explain then why it is hatred when Helms expressed it- but it is not when you do?

Was it because he had a larger stage from which to project those views?

Is hatred only measured by proportion to those who have access to it?

Was not an accusation that you are full of hate- or are like him in views- however, it seems to me this thread has been full of hatred for what Helms said and did- and I wonder- how is that hatred different? Because it speaks against his form of hatred with another?

I am in the camp with LSPE and MBC- hatred is an emotion I avoid. Hatred hurts me- not the person or view I am "hating".

I'm sorry if you interpreted that as me saying you are full of hate- it was not what I was trying to get across.

The question however- of why is one hate acceptable and one not stands- for me, hate is not acceptable in either form.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

... however, it seems to me this thread has been full of hatred for what Helms said and did- and I wonder- how is that hatred different? Because it speaks against his form of hatred with another?....

Not hate, Nephy. Dismay, disgust, and moral outrage, yes. Hate, no.

[JWBear]

Oh... by the way:

Originally Posted by Nephythys

..and if by that you are referring to me (or think I said you are full of hatred) you are wrong-

(A few pages earlier.)

Originally Posted by Nephythys

I suspect your hatred of the man has impaired your ability to read what I said....

For future reference... If you are going to claim you did not say a particular thing, make sure before hand that you actually didn't.

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by JWBear

Oh... by the way:



(A few pages earlier.)



For future reference... If you are going to claim you did not say a particular thing, make sure before hand that you actually didn't.

Excuse me?

Where in THAT quote did I say you are FULL of hate? You think you posted some kind of "gotcha"?

In this thread it is not a mystery to suspect that your feelings for him are hatred- you corrected that- I however did NOT say you were LIKE HIM or FULL OF HATE.

So- just as YOU want to be seen accurately, you could do ME the same courtesy! Just as you do not want people ascribing an emotion to you that you say you are not feeling- I would expect you not to put words in my mouth- I said NOTHING of the sort.

...or is there some double standard here?

[wendybeth]

Oh, come on. To say that just because you didn't say 'full' along with 'hatred' JW is totally wrong is a bit ridiculous. (Besides, saying one is full of hatred is rather redundant- hatred is the kind of emotion that sort of fills up all available space). It's also silly- Helms is NOT worth any of us fighting over, ever. He stoked enough of this shyt in his lifetime, so let it die with him.



Can't we all just get along?

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

Oh, come on. To say that just because you didn't say 'full' along with 'hatred' JW is totally wrong is a bit ridiculous. (Besides, saying one is full of hatred is rather redundant- hatred is the kind of emotion that sort of fills up all available space). It's also silly- Helms is NOT worth any of us fighting over, ever. He stoked enough of this shyt in his lifetime, so let it die with him.



Can't we all just get along?

WB- I did not say he was full of hatred or that he was like Helms. I have every right to defend myself against the allegation that I did.

I thought (and he corrected it) that he felt hate for the man-

Otherwise certainly we can get along- but I am not going to say nothing when I am being accused of something I did not do.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

WB- I did not say he was full of hatred or that he was like Helms. I have every right to defend myself against the allegation that I did.

I thought (and he corrected it) that he felt hate for the man-

Otherwise certainly we can get along- but I am not going to say nothing when I am being accused of something I did not do.

Well...

Originally Posted by Nephythys

...and frankly excusing your own intolerance and hatred by pointing to someone else's is a poor deflection indeed....

Originally Posted by Nephythys

Please explain then why it is hatred when Helms expressed it- but it is not when you do?....

Anyway... I'm done now. I'm tired of arguing with you, Nephy. It's pointless, and gets us nowhere (which I should have known from long experience).

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by JWBear

Well...





Anyway... I'm done now. I'm tired of arguing with you, Nephy. It's pointless, and gets us nowhere (which I should have known from long experience).

Thanks-

I was not aware we were arguing. I am sorry you could not bother to show me the same courtesy I showed you.

I already said it was not intended to mean what you took it to mean- I have explained ad naseum and you have chosen to disregard it- demanding respect when you clarified but ignoring my own request.

Your insults are duly noted- I thought, wrongly, that we had moved past this sort of issue but sadly you want to hold to it.

Peace out.

(one more thing- while I did quote you there I was referring to the MANY posts excusing hatred for his views by pointing to his-you are not the only one who posted in such a manner. Though you seem to be one of the few who finally explained that it was not hatred that drove you- I stand by the comment- pointing to someone else's hatred and intolerance is a poor excuse for indulging in the same)

I also never said you were LIKE him of FULL of hate- and as yet all you can do is put words in my mouth, intention in my words and IGNORE when I tell you that your interpretation is wrong- heaven forbid.


No WB- we can't get along.