The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 359

Alex · 08-04-2008, 03:38 PM

To say that many people didn't vote for Romney because he is Mormon is not to say that everybody who didn't vote for him did so for that reason.

But it also isn't the case that because a lot of people had other reasons for not voting for him that it wasn't a significant issue for a different lot of people.

I know people for whom it was an issue. And I do think the nature of a candidates religious faith is a perfectly acceptable issue. After all, a large part of the reason I wouldn't vote for Huckabee is the nature of his religious faith. Now, the problem isn't so much the specifics of his belief (I don't care if he is a Trinitarian or if Romney thinks Jesus visit up-state New York on his way back to heaven) but rather I think the nature of his belief doesn't allow him to see why I shouldn't be required to fall in line with it.

scaeagles · 08-04-2008, 04:07 PM

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BarTopDancer · 08-06-2008, 08:34 AM

Paris Hilton released a response video to address McCain using her in his ad.

I'm no Paris fan, but I think the McCain ad was beyond inappropriate. The video is amusing.

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The tongue-in-cheek video is laced with age-based insults. Hilton may not be known for her trenchant wit, but the two-minute spot is a satirical blend — part “Daily Show,” part “Legally Blonde.”

scaeagles · 08-06-2008, 08:42 AM

Why? Even Barack has compared himself to Paris.

Alex · 08-06-2008, 08:46 AM

I don't think McCain's add was inappropriate. I just think it was ill advised.

scaeagles · 08-06-2008, 09:27 AM

I don't even think it was ill advised. Comparing Obama's celebrity to that of (other) vacuous celebrities seems pretty smart.

Ghoulish Delight · 08-06-2008, 09:39 AM

Obama is very much like Paris Hilton in that he is very good at presenting the media with the image of himself that he thinks will garner him the most success. Paris is far more intelligent than her media persona lets on. I'm not saying she's a great philosopher, but she's no dummy.

I prefer the reality of who Obama is outside of his media persona, as much as can be gleened by looking beyond the surface fluff that media presents that defines that persona, over the reality of who McCain outside of his media persona. The fact that he's using his media persona to present an image that's a little more appealing to the people who need to like him to elect him is fine with me.

BarTopDancer · 08-06-2008, 09:41 AM

Where did he say that (seriously).

And why was the ad smart? Because he's a well known politician? Aren't most people running for office of the US known [at least by name] world wide? McCain comes across as bitter and almost whiny that people aren't paying as much attention to him as they do to Obama.

scaeagles · 08-06-2008, 10:14 AM

I don't currently have the exact quote, but as his celebrity grew he claimed he was giving Paris Hilton a run for her money, or some such thing.

Alex · 08-06-2008, 11:20 AM

Ill advised because it isn't likely (in my view but maybe it is playing well somewhere) to reap much benefit for McCain.

08-04-2008, 03:38 PM	#3581
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	To say that many people didn't vote for Romney because he is Mormon is not to say that everybody who didn't vote for him did so for that reason. But it also isn't the case that because a lot of people had other reasons for not voting for him that it wasn't a significant issue for a different lot of people. I know people for whom it was an issue. And I do think the nature of a candidates religious faith is a perfectly acceptable issue. After all, a large part of the reason I wouldn't vote for Huckabee is the nature of his religious faith. Now, the problem isn't so much the specifics of his belief (I don't care if he is a Trinitarian or if Romney thinks Jesus visit up-state New York on his way back to heaven) but rather I think the nature of his belief doesn't allow him to see why I shouldn't be required to fall in line with it.
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08-04-2008, 04:07 PM	#3582
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Decided this post was more WTF???? and moved it there.
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08-06-2008, 08:42 AM	#3584
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Why? Even Barack has compared himself to Paris.
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08-06-2008, 08:46 AM	#3585
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I don't think McCain's add was inappropriate. I just think it was ill advised.
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08-06-2008, 09:27 AM	#3586
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I don't even think it was ill advised. Comparing Obama's celebrity to that of (other) vacuous celebrities seems pretty smart.
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08-06-2008, 09:39 AM	#3587
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Obama is very much like Paris Hilton in that he is very good at presenting the media with the image of himself that he thinks will garner him the most success. Paris is far more intelligent than her media persona lets on. I'm not saying she's a great philosopher, but she's no dummy. I prefer the reality of who Obama is outside of his media persona, as much as can be gleened by looking beyond the surface fluff that media presents that defines that persona, over the reality of who McCain outside of his media persona. The fact that he's using his media persona to present an image that's a little more appealing to the people who need to like him to elect him is fine with me. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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08-06-2008, 09:41 AM	#3588
BarTopDancer Prepping... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Here, there, everywhere Posts: 11,405	Where did he say that (seriously). And why was the ad smart? Because he's a well known politician? Aren't most people running for office of the US known [at least by name] world wide? McCain comes across as bitter and almost whiny that people aren't paying as much attention to him as they do to Obama. __________________ Spork is the new MacGyver Postcards From My Edge
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08-06-2008, 10:14 AM	#3589
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I don't currently have the exact quote, but as his celebrity grew he claimed he was giving Paris Hilton a run for her money, or some such thing.
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08-06-2008, 11:20 AM	#3590
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Ill advised because it isn't likely (in my view but maybe it is playing well somewhere) to reap much benefit for McCain.
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