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Old 08-18-2008, 06:45 PM   #1
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I've gotten over the fact that "whom" has all but disappeared from the English language.
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I am one of the five last remaining users of "whom."
I often wished I understood the proper usage of "whom" - it is one that I seem to not be able to properly grasp.

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...as does the omission of the final comma in a series.
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I don't believe leaving out the final comma in a series is incorrect in the least.
Either way is considered correct.

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My constant mistake is it's and its, and I'm constantly proofreading for that and finding I've mistyped it yet again.
Somebody (possibly someone on this board, but I cannot recall) taught me this quick reference: any time you are going to use "its" or "it's", test the sentence by using "it is." If "it is" works, then use the contraction "it's." If it doesn't work, use "its."
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Old 08-18-2008, 06:51 PM   #2
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I often wished I understood the proper usage of "whom" - it is one that I seem to not be able to properly grasp.
That's ok, the OED has acknowledged that whom has disappeared from spoken English.

But if you remember to use it when following a preposition ("to whom shall I deliver the letter", "before whom must I bow", "upon whom did the porn star ejaculate copiously") then you'll understand it better than 95% of the population.
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Old 08-18-2008, 09:57 PM   #3
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The Oxford or serial comma is completely a choice of style...
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Either way is considered correct.
I simply don't agree. Every writing class I have ever taken taught that it is proper usage to include it. The practice of omitting it was started by newspapers in order to save space.

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I often wished I understood the proper usage of "whom" - it is one that I seem to not be able to properly grasp.
Use "whom" when referring to the object of a sentence, and "who" when it is the subject.

"Who was given the book?" (Subject)

"The book was given to whom?" (Object)

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Somebody (possibly someone on this board, but I cannot recall) taught me this quick reference: any time you are going to use "its" or "it's", test the sentence by using "it is." If "it is" works, then use the contraction "it's." If it doesn't work, use "its."
Remember that possessive pronouns have no apostrophes, and contractions always do.

its, whose, his, hers, theirs = possessive

it's, who's, that's, what's, he's, she's, etc = contraction
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Old 08-18-2008, 10:35 PM   #4
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Every writing class I have ever taken taught that it is proper usage to include it. The practice of omitting it was started by newspapers in order to save space.
Here's a good presentation of the argument against, one that is accepted by many English speaking countries and the majority of American non-academic styleguides (which, as you suggest, are primarily newspapers and magazines).

Personally, I use the serial comma, but I agree with the con argument that 90%+ of the time it serves no functional purpose and so to the extent that a rule is needed it should be simply that the comma is mandatory only when its use eliminates ambiguity.
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Old 08-18-2008, 11:30 PM   #5
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I simply don't agree. Every writing class I have ever taken taught that it is proper usage to include it.
Whereas my college courses taught that either was correct.

Ironically, I use (and prefer) the serial comma.
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Somebody (possibly someone on this board, but I cannot recall) taught me this quick reference: any time you are going to use "its" or "it's", test the sentence by using "it is." If "it is" works, then use the contraction "it's." If it doesn't work, use "its."
If only I could remember this. I am constantly getting this wrong and I've tried to get a good pneumonic device to help me out, but to no avail.
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Old 08-19-2008, 09:04 AM   #7
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If only I could remember this. I am constantly getting this wrong and I've tried to get a good pneumonic device to help me out, but to no avail.
I'm sorry, but . . . bammo!

At least you didn't say "pneumatic device." That would have been quotable.
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