Democratic National Convention '08

[innerSpaceman]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I have oft been one to think that the very reason Obama would NOT choose Hillary is because if he's one breath between her and the Presidency his last is very much more likely.

Really, i would think the opposite - that many of the nutbags who hate the thought of a black president also hate the thought of a girl president, and would thus have to kill both of them, and be deterred by the double difficulty.


Yep, I think making Hillary his V.P. would have been an Obama life insurance policy.


But seriously, I hope he is the most well-protected president in U.S. history. But past U.S. history gives me little hope. There was a close-to-successful assassination attempt as recent as Regan ... and I've personally lived through an actual presidential assassination where I believe the Secret Service was either complicit or negligent.

[scaeagles]

She did quite a job dancing around supporting him without taking anything back. It's exactly what she had to do for herself because she does want Obama to lose and can't act that way.

Bill will make it all about himself. I doubt he even mentions Obama.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Really, i would think the opposite - that many of the nutbags who hate the thought of a black president also hate the thought of a girl president, and would thus have to kill both of them, and be deterred by the double difficulty.


Yep, I think making Hillary his V.P. would have been an Obama life insurance policy.

I mean HILLARY would have pulled the trigger....or been behind it.

[Strangler Lewis]

Taking stuff back would only have drawn attention to it. The only credible way she could have taken her criticisms back would have been to say, "Yeah, I said it. I said it because I believe I would have been a damned good president. I wanted to get elected, and this is the kind of sh*t you say in presidential campaigns. John McCain understands that, which is why he has publicly gone back on every "maverick" stance he has ever taken, hoping that half of you believe what he says now and half of you believe what he used to say."

That's a mouthful. I thought she did great.

[innerSpaceman]

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

I do not support McCain, but then I am not wild about Obama either. Just because I agree with Helen's sentiment about Hillary does not mean that I do so in spite of how McCain may or may not have been elected.

All fair and good, and my comment was not directed primarily at you because you did not make the original insult. But have you similarly insulted McCain because of how he attained power? Or is that a low-blow that you find Clinton deserving of in particular?

I understand you don't agree with her policies or accomplishments. That can be stated without personal insult. But Hillary having attained the public eye by being first lady is no more or less serendipitous than McCain attaining the public eye because he was a POW.

Again, I take umbrage only because I don't think we will be crass enough around here to insult McCain for similar circumstances.



By the way, the insult is less to her than to the people of my home State of New York, by implying they are sheep who had their own collective wool pulled over their eyes. I may not live there anymore, but once a New Yawker always a New Yawker ... and it's never wise to insult a New Yawker.

[scaeagles]

McCain also was a bit of a carpet bagger, moving to AZ specifically to run for an open seat in the US House. Hillary is also guilty of that, I suppose.

I do think that one thing going for McCain related to the whole POW experience was his character during the experience. It is widely publicized (and widely verified) that he was offered release but refused as there were others who had been in the Hanoi Hilton longer.

That does speak strongly of character - as much so as his affair did in the opposite direction - but at least it did involve character.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

many of the nutbags who hate the thought of a black president also hate the thought of a girl president, and would thus have to kill both of them, and be deterred by the double difficulty.

Actually, killing both of them would make Nancy Pelosi president, so the degree of difficulty would be even higher if they didn't want a female president.

[Alex]

What is not so often mentioned is that almost all POWs were at some point offered and rejected release unless everybody was released and without terms. So while it does speak to his character that he refused release on terms that would have required him to speak out against the United States, it isn't necessarily a sign of a uniquely special character.

And I'm all for maligning the political sense of the New Yorkers, it isn't like they've done anything to suggest they're immune to the idiocy common to other consistuencies.

[Stan4dSteph]

Originally Posted by Alex

And I'm all for maligning the political sense of the New Yorkers, it isn't like they've done anything to suggest they're immune to the idiocy common to other consistuencies.

Hey!

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Tom

Actually, killing both of them would make Nancy Pelosi president, so the degree of difficulty would be even higher if they didn't want a female president.

And getting all three would get us a 90+ year old former Klansman tottering on the edge of senility for president. Which would, I'm sure, make everybody happy.