Democratic National Convention '08 - Page 21

innerSpaceman · 08-30-2008, 12:19 PM

Yes, the whole point is to violate YOUR policy to test MY hypothesis.

I am really curious to know if you find a substantive difference between the written and the spoken in this case. And whether you find the delivery subversive of the true message, or the essence of it.

CoasterMatt · 08-30-2008, 12:25 PM

Kucinich's speech was the best of the convention, imho.

Cadaverous Pallor · 08-30-2008, 04:22 PM

Ok, I watched iSm's link to Kucinich's speech. Um, have to say, it didn't thrill me. He pauses after most words, very halting. He bounced a lot and used nearly cartoonish hand gestures. Shots of the audience showed how I felt - he looked silly. He also seemed really tiny. Sorry...but he looked like he needed a clown suit.

He didn't say anything new either. I did like the "wake up america" part but I think I'd like it better written instead of spoken by him.

Not Afraid · 08-30-2008, 05:17 PM

I overheard 2 old black dudes chewing the fat today.

Man 1: So, it looks like McCain threw a good one at Barak by choosing that woman.
Man 2: I don't think so. I think he just insulted a bunch of women in this country. She's no Hillary.

BDBopper · 08-30-2008, 06:25 PM

Those two people are absolutely right. McCain's choice was made to excite the base disguised as somewhat authentic ploy to appeal to women. Yes some new women are coming on board...but the base is extremely jazzed and more united than the Democrats' base last week going into their convention. That's what McCain needed and wanted. I'm surprised the media hasn't caught on to that one.

JWBear · 08-30-2008, 06:57 PM

Yes... let the media mention her fundamentalism as much as possible. I hope it gets constant air time. the more independents and moderates that hear it, the more likely the McCain campaign will go down in flames!

Alex · 08-31-2008, 12:12 AM

I have to go with CP on the Kucinich evaluation. I suspect that one looks better on paper than listening to him.

He talks like his teleprompter is stuttering (though I suspect he wasn't using one) and he bounces around like he put too much sugar on his Froot Loops.

But that may all be because he had 15 minutes of things he wanted to say but was only given 6.

innerSpaceman · 08-31-2008, 12:26 AM

ya know, it occurs to me i haven't seen the Kuchinich speech myself, i merely heard it.

Hmmm, are speeches actually meant to be seen? Are they performances, or are they, in essence, speech ... and thus can best be experienced aurally?

Alex · 08-31-2008, 12:43 AM

It is also the case that Kucinich's speech and the speaches of the Obamas/Biden/Clintons had very different purposes. While I've generally heard good things about Kucinich's speech, if Obama had given it in his acceptance speech I think it would be regarded (by party failful and opposition alike) as an umitigated disaster.

Ghoulish Delight · 08-31-2008, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

ya know, it occurs to me i haven't seen the Kuchinich speech myself, i merely heard it.

Hmmm, are speeches actually meant to be seen? Are they performances, or are they, in essence, speech ... and thus can best be experienced aurally?

Most people who heard the Nixon/Kennedy debate on the radio felt that Nixon won, while those who saw it on TV gave it to Kennedy.

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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Yes, the whole point is to violate YOUR policy to test MY hypothesis. I am really curious to know if you find a substantive difference between the written and the spoken in this case. And whether you find the delivery subversive of the true message, or the essence of it.
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08-30-2008, 12:25 PM	#202
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08-30-2008, 04:22 PM	#203
Cadaverous Pallor ohhhh baby Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Parental Bliss Posts: 12,364	Ok, I watched iSm's link to Kucinich's speech. Um, have to say, it didn't thrill me. He pauses after most words, very halting. He bounced a lot and used nearly cartoonish hand gestures. Shots of the audience showed how I felt - he looked silly. He also seemed really tiny. Sorry...but he looked like he needed a clown suit. He didn't say anything new either. I did like the "wake up america" part but I think I'd like it better written instead of spoken by him. __________________ The second star to the right shines in the night for you
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08-30-2008, 05:17 PM	#204
Not Afraid HI! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 17,108	I overheard 2 old black dudes chewing the fat today. Man 1: So, it looks like McCain threw a good one at Barak by choosing that woman. Man 2: I don't think so. I think he just insulted a bunch of women in this country. She's no Hillary.
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08-30-2008, 06:25 PM	#205
BDBopper Not Taking Any Crap! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Cleaning Up America, One Step At A Time! Posts: 1,694	Those two people are absolutely right. McCain's choice was made to excite the base disguised as somewhat authentic ploy to appeal to women. Yes some new women are coming on board...but the base is extremely jazzed and more united than the Democrats' base last week going into their convention. That's what McCain needed and wanted. I'm surprised the media hasn't caught on to that one.
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08-30-2008, 06:57 PM	#206
JWBear Worn Romantic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 8,435	Yes... let the media mention her fundamentalism as much as possible. I hope it gets constant air time. the more independents and moderates that hear it, the more likely the McCain campaign will go down in flames! __________________ Unrestrained frivolity will lead to the downfall of modern society.
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08-31-2008, 12:12 AM	#207
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I have to go with CP on the Kucinich evaluation. I suspect that one looks better on paper than listening to him. He talks like his teleprompter is stuttering (though I suspect he wasn't using one) and he bounces around like he put too much sugar on his Froot Loops. But that may all be because he had 15 minutes of things he wanted to say but was only given 6.
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08-31-2008, 12:26 AM	#208
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	ya know, it occurs to me i haven't seen the Kuchinich speech myself, i merely heard it. Hmmm, are speeches actually meant to be seen? Are they performances, or are they, in essence, speech ... and thus can best be experienced aurally?
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08-31-2008, 12:43 AM	#209
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	It is also the case that Kucinich's speech and the speaches of the Obamas/Biden/Clintons had very different purposes. While I've generally heard good things about Kucinich's speech, if Obama had given it in his acceptance speech I think it would be regarded (by party failful and opposition alike) as an umitigated disaster.
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