Republican National Convention '08 - Page 5

BDBopper · 09-01-2008, 06:25 PM

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JWBear · 09-01-2008, 11:35 PM

Yes, thankfully the disaster in New Orleans is over; but the disaster that is the McCain campaign is still blundering along.....

scaeagles · 09-02-2008, 04:57 AM

Hmmmm.....not according to polls out there. If McCain's camp is in such disarray, it would seem that Obama would have a huge and commanding lead.

JWBear · 09-02-2008, 09:00 AM

Polls are becoming increasingly meaningless. Even the mainstream media (which, contrary to the "liberal" label, is very conservative leaning) is starting to turn on him.

BarTopDancer · 09-02-2008, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

Hmmmm.....not according to polls out there. If McCain's camp is in such disarray, it would seem that Obama would have a huge and commanding lead.

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Originally Posted by JWBear

Polls are becoming increasingly meaningless. Even the mainstream media (which, contrary to the "liberal" label, is very conservative leaning) is starting to turn on him.

I think it was Alex who brought up that polling is no longer that accurate. The demographic that would be showing Obama to have a larger lead no longer have landlines and it's illegal to poll cell phone numbers.

scaeagles · 09-02-2008, 09:08 AM

I guess the label is in the eye of the beholder, and I'm certain we could each spout example after example to support our particular view of the media, but I certainly do not concur with your assessment of a conservative leaning media.

innerSpaceman · 09-02-2008, 09:33 AM

Can we perhaps agree that, considering Conservatives see a liberal media and Liberals see a conservative media, that the actual "media" is neither or both, but certainly not exclusively or even primarily either?

JWBear · 09-02-2008, 09:56 AM

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Can we perhaps agree that, considering Conservatives see a liberal media and Liberals see a conservative media, that the actual "media" is neither or both, but certainly not exclusively or even primarily either?

The problem with your theory is that I consider myself to be a moderate, not a liberal. And if moderates see the press as leaning to the right, then... Well....

scaeagles · 09-02-2008, 10:00 AM

I often think that where one ranks onesself on the political spectrum is different than where others might. If I considered myself to be moderate, it doesn't make it so, it is just an issue of how I define conservative, moderate, and liberal.

JWBear · 09-02-2008, 10:14 AM

Very true. To some, I would be a liberal; but only because they have shifted to the right, while I have stood still.

I'm fiscally conservative, in that I believe in lower taxes for the middle class and the poor and a prudent tax plan for the wealthy and businesses; along with prudent government spending and the reduction of our national debt. The Republican plan is to tax the middle class to death, huge tax cuts to big corporations and the wealthiest 1%, bloated military spending, and borrowing vast amounts from the Chinese. To me (and the last eight years support this), this is a fiscal disaster in the making. The Republican Party, and John McCain are advocating more of the same. Why would a fiscal conservative vote for this?

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JWBear Worn Romantic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 8,435	Polls are becoming increasingly meaningless. Even the mainstream media (which, contrary to the "liberal" label, is very conservative leaning) is starting to turn on him. __________________ Unrestrained frivolity will lead to the downfall of modern society.
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I guess the label is in the eye of the beholder, and I'm certain we could each spout example after example to support our particular view of the media, but I certainly do not concur with your assessment of a conservative leaning media.
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Can we perhaps agree that, considering Conservatives see a liberal media and Liberals see a conservative media, that the actual "media" is neither or both, but certainly not exclusively or even primarily either?
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I often think that where one ranks onesself on the political spectrum is different than where others might. If I considered myself to be moderate, it doesn't make it so, it is just an issue of how I define conservative, moderate, and liberal.
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09-02-2008, 10:14 AM	#50
JWBear Worn Romantic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 8,435	Very true. To some, I would be a liberal; but only because they have shifted to the right, while I have stood still. I'm fiscally conservative, in that I believe in lower taxes for the middle class and the poor and a prudent tax plan for the wealthy and businesses; along with prudent government spending and the reduction of our national debt. The Republican plan is to tax the middle class to death, huge tax cuts to big corporations and the wealthiest 1%, bloated military spending, and borrowing vast amounts from the Chinese. To me (and the last eight years support this), this is a fiscal disaster in the making. The Republican Party, and John McCain are advocating more of the same. Why would a fiscal conservative vote for this? __________________ Unrestrained frivolity will lead to the downfall of modern society.
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