Republican National Convention '08

[wendybeth]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I've voted for dems in local elections, but somehow I don't think anyone here would accept that from me as proof that I'm moderate.

Quite the opposite- I do think you are a moderate conservative. I am a moderate liberal. I think a vocal minority on both sides are extreme right or left, but most moderates live in the real world where we realize that few things are black and white, and we are able to reason out the best possible outcomes and even compromise to achieve that goal. Extremists do not compromise, and they are never wrong. They deny their humanity and are willfully ignorant. Your voting 'across the aisle' shows that you are not a rabid extremist, and are capable of free thought. You're just a little misguided sometimes.

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

Quite the opposite- I do think you are a moderate conservative. I am a moderate liberal. I think a vocal minority on both sides are extreme right or left, but most moderates live in the real world where we realize that few things are black and white, and we are able to reason out the best possible outcomes and even compromise to achieve that goal. Extremists do not compromise, and they are never wrong. They deny their humanity and are willfully ignorant. Your voting 'across the aisle' shows that you are not a rabid extremist, and are capable of free thought. You're just a little misguided sometimes.

The original point though was that the media leans to the right which was countered with -no, it leans to the left-.......I don't think anyone was saying that the media is "extreme".

Therefore, for the purposes of this debate, I think "moderate" is much more narrow than ~anyone who isn't a rabid extremeist~

If I am wrong, then yeah, everyone here except ISM and myself are probably "moderate" /

[wendybeth]

That may have been the original point, but I believe Scaeagles was responding to my point, and I to his. (Seeings how the thread has gone all over the place, I don't think anyone could accuse me of straying off-topic). If you'd like to get back on the topic of media bias, by all means do so, but you started it by asserting that "most" Americans voted for Bush and that anyone who didn't wasn't a moderate.

[scaeagles]

I think we're getting tied up on labels to which we all have varying definitions. I, for example, do not consider myself moderate. I consider myself reasonable.

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

That may have been the original point, but I believe Scaeagles was responding to my point, and I to his. (Seeings how the thread has gone all over the place, I don't think anyone could accuse me of straying off-topic). If you'd like to get back on the topic of media bias, by all means do so, but you started it by asserting that "most" Americans voted for Bush and that anyone who didn't wasn't a moderate.

When do we ever stay not stray off topic

Actually, I did not assert that anyone who didn't vote for Bush was not a moderate but that anyone who found the mere thought of voting for him repugnant wasn't a moderate. A true moderate would have been torn between voting for Bush or Kerry or in the very least would have considered for a moment a vote for Bush....that's all I am saying.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

If you guys keep discussing where you land on the spectrum I'm going to pull out the annoying Libertarian quiz (which is, of course, designed to make everyone sound Libertarian)

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

If you guys keep discussing where you land on the spectrum I'm going to pull out the annoying Libertarian quiz (which is, of course, designed to make everyone sound Libertarian)

Is that the one with the North-South-East-West configuration?

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by JWBear

Ummmmm.... No. "Most" of the nation did not vote for him - only about half.

To be fair, by definition, the 50.7% of voters that voted for him mean that, yes, "most" voters voted for Bush.

But of course, since only about 60% of eligible voters actually bothered to vote, that means only about 30% of the country voted for Bush.

[scaeagles]

So...more than Clinton got either time.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

When do we ever stay not stray off topic

Actually, I did not assert that anyone who didn't vote for Bush was not a moderate but that anyone who found the mere thought of voting for him repugnant wasn't a moderate. A true moderate would have been torn between voting for Bush or Kerry or in the very least would have considered for a moment a vote for Bush....that's all I am saying.

Not at all. There are candidates in both parties that I would never vote for. I guess you could call me an independent moderate, as I find the idea of blindly voting on straight party lines to be repugnant.